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Old 05-05-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yeah, they, the non-TARP de facto group, took a chance and, alas, the bankruptcy judge is GOD....


That same group of lenders just so happened to buy some bonds last summer, i believe...

Highly suspect, if you ask me...
According to Bloomberg.com they bought some at over 50 cents on the dollar and some as low as 13 on the dollar, so some win and some lose.

Apparently some of them have since accepted the 29 cent offer and promised to try persuade the others to do the same.
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Old 05-05-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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Yeah, they, the non-TARP de facto group, took a chance and, alas, the bankruptcy judge is GOD....


That same group of lenders just so happened to buy some bonds last summer, i believe...

Highly suspect, if you ask me...
The BK judge just can't make it up as he goes or do whatever he wants. There is a general order of credittors and it needs to be followed.
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Old 05-05-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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According to Bloomberg.com they bought some at over 50 cents on the dollar and some as low as 13 on the dollar, so some win and some lose.

Apparently some of them have since accepted the 29 cent offer and promised to try persuade the others to do the same.
What do you want to bet those that bought the debt for $.13 accepted the $.29 and those that paid $.50 did not..

Some win, some lose does not mean its legal or fair..
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Old 05-05-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What do you want to bet those that bought the debt for $.13 accepted the $.29 and those that paid $.50 did not..

Some win, some lose does not mean its legal or fair..
It is what it is. Investing has never been fair. Legal? Sure, why would it be illegal? Buy low, sell high.... Some make good moves, some make bad.

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Perella and Xerion issued a statement yesterday after the president’s comments saying they accepted the government offer and would attempt to persuade other lenders to do the same.

Perella Statement

“We believe that this is in the best interests of all Chrysler stakeholders, and our own investors and partners,” the Perella statement said. “We are working with other non-TARP Lenders to encourage broad participation in the settlement.”

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. was among the first of Chrysler’s underwriters to try to get the loans off its books. The investment bank sold about $500 million of Chrysler loans in April 2008 at 63 cents on the dollar, almost 30 cents lower than where other actively-traded loans were selling. At that price, the loans would yield more than 25 percent if held for four years.
“People bought the debt because the recovery on bank loans has been high,” said Steven Persky, co-founder of Dalton Investments LLC, a Los Angeles-based hedge fund that trades distressed debt.
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Old 05-05-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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It is what it is. Investing has never been fair. Legal? Sure, why would it be illegal? Buy low, sell high.... Some make good moves, some make bad.
Its illegal depending on the TYPE of debt investors bought.

You cant take an unsecured creditor and give them priority over a secured creditor. There is a reason why secured creditors take lower returns, its because they are entitled to priority over debt in the event of failure.
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Old 05-05-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You cant take an unsecured creditor and give them priority over a secured creditor. There is a reason why secured creditors take lower returns, its because they are entitled to priority over debt in the event of failure.
That's why there is such thing as Bankcrupcy Court, where they make sure the law is followed.
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It is what it is. Investing has never been fair. Legal? Sure, why would it be illegal? Buy low, sell high.... Some make good moves, some make bad.
How is it fair that the UAW gets a 55% stake? Dictated of course by obama.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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Here is another twist in the story......


Chrysler holdouts must say who they are, judge says

Link -- NewsDaily: Chrysler holdouts must say who they are, judge says

It'd be funny if Bob Corker or John Shelby's name comes up!
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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How is it fair that the UAW gets a 55% stake? Dictated of course by obama.
The court will decide how the pie is split.
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The court will decide how the pie is split.
Yes, according to the customary practices of proportion between senior and junior investors.

This is not what obama and the UAW want, which is why they tried to strongarm and threaten those investors into making a deal instead of going to bankruptcy court.
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