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Old 05-07-2009, 10:00 AM
 
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coastal rap wrote;

But you did see "water torture" right? That's what waterboarding was called.

golfgod

So anything to do with water is now torture.

I guess in your dictionary a flu shot is the same as getting stabbed with a butcher knife.

So it's beginning to look like the OP was correct, the left made it all up.
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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I got news for you - neither did the Japanese.
You think it's unique that the terrorists ram planes into things?
Ever hear of the word Kamakaze?

You think it's unique that the terrorists blow themselves up so as to "take others with them"?
Ever hear of how the Japanese soldiers would pretend to be dead so they could lure American troops up close - then blow themselves up with hidden hand grenades?


Your arguments are the same tired old arguments that are made EVERY TIME there is a war - "Our enemy is not like other enemies, they are barbarians and deserve to be treated as such - so ANYTHING we do is OK".

SSDD.

Ken

Hmmm, I wonder if anyone was upset with our enhanced interrogation techniques after that war.
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:06 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Ever hear of them killing innocent civilians on purpose?
Yeah, it happened ALL the time.
What planet are you on?
Ever hear of the Rape of Nanking?
The horrors visited upon the civilians of Hong Kong?
Of Singapore?
Of Manilla?

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They condemned the raids on Toyko, and stated they would never carpet bomb American cities.
Only because they didn't have the capability to carpet bomb American cities.

They sure bombed the h*ll out of the Chinese cities on PLENTY of occasions.

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The Japanse were ruthless in war, but they were honorable.
LOL
There was NOTHING honorable about the Japanese.
Like most militant cultures built on "honor" - their "honor" translated into ensuring that THEY received the "honor" they thought they deserved - not that they behave "honorably" towards others. The conquered (both captured military AND civilians) were NOTHING - and as such deserved NO RESPECT whatsover.

Why do you think the Japanese are still hated throughout SE Asia? - They treated EVERYONE (including civilians) as slaves.

So yourself a favor - get educated.
If you want to debate the Japanese in WWII, I'm MORE than happy to take you on. I'm a WWII military buff and venture that I know more about WWII (especially the Pacific) than you can ever hope to know - it was after all something I intended to teach.

Ken

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Old 05-07-2009, 10:10 AM
 
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Ever hear of the Japanse Kamikaze pilots flying their planes into civilian targets? Ever hear of them killing innocent civilians on purpose?
The Japanse were ruthless in war, but they were honorable. They condemned the raids on Toyko, and stated they would never carpet bomb American cities. When it came to US troops, however, anything was fair game. Seems fair to me.

Anything else - a little more logical maybe?

Ever hear of Pearl Harbor?
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:11 AM
 
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Ever hear of the Japanse Kamikaze pilots flying their planes into civilian targets? Ever hear of them killing innocent civilians on purpose? The Japanse were ruthless in war, but they were honorable.
Read and learn it is helpful if one wishes to avoid looking foolish.

The Rape of Nanking: Introduction
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:14 AM
 
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Hmmm, I wonder if anyone was upset with our enhanced interrogation techniques after that war.
There were a LOT of things we did during WW II that we shouldn't have done (including executing prisoners). They certainly weren't "policy" (and by no means were the "norm') but they happened from time to time nonetheless.

Most of it was simply swept under the rug.
The press was a lot more "compliant" in those days and information tightly controlled.
That doesn't make any of it right.

Ken

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Old 05-07-2009, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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So anything to do with water is now torture.

I guess in your dictionary a flu shot is the same as getting stabbed with a butcher knife.

So it's beginning to look like the OP was correct, the left made it all up.
Wingnut education seem to be half the purpose of this forum.

"Water torture" was the name given to a number of torture techniques, with included the practice of waterboarding. And yes, the Japanese did commit waterboarding on our soldiers.

Please stop with the ridiculous semantical arguments when you don't even know your history.
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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So anything to do with water is now torture.

I guess in your dictionary a flu shot is the same as getting stabbed with a butcher knife.

So it's beginning to look like the OP was correct, the left made it all up.
Oh yeah, you are quite right.
Clearly that Japanese "water torture" was "forcing American POWs to put their feet underwater".


And to think that Wingnuts have a reputation for dumb arguments?
Who could even IMAGINE such a criticism?

LOL

Ken
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:32 AM
 
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Wingnut education seem to be half the purpose of this forum.

"Water torture" was the name given to a number of torture techniques, with included the practice of waterboarding. And yes, the Japanese did commit waterboarding on our soldiers.

Please stop with the ridiculous semantical arguments when you don't even know your history.
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Oh yeah, you are quite right.
Clearly that Japanese "water torture" was "forcing American POWs to put their feet underwater".


And to think that Wingnuts have a reputation for dumb arguments?
Who could even IMAGINE such a criticism?

LOL

Ken

The OP made a claim that the Japanese were not executed for water boarding.

I don't know if they were or not but so far all the rantings from you guys still has not produced any evidence.

So just name calling and saying it happened is not quite going to do it.
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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U.S. Military Commission, Yokohama, May 1-28, 1947
United States of America v. Hideji Nakamura, Yukio Asano, Seitara Hata,
and Takeo Kita

“Charge: That between 1 April, 1943 and 31 August, 1944, , at Fukoka Prisoner of War
Branch Camp Number 3, Kyushu, Japan, the accused Yukio Asana, then a civilian
serving as an interpreter with the Armed Forces of Japan, a nation then at war with the
United States of America and its Allies, did violate the Laws and Customs of War.

Specification 1: That in or about July or August, 1943, the accused Yukio Asano, did
willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and tortureMorris O. Killough, an American
Prisoner of War, by beating and kicking him; by fastening him on a stretcher and pouring
water up his nostrils.

Specification 2: That on or about 15May, 1944, at Fukoka Prisoner of War Branch
Camp Number 3, Kyushu, Japan, the accused Yukio Asano, did, willfully and unlawfully,
brutally mistreat and torture Thomas B. Armitage, William O. Cash, and Munroe Dave
Woodall, American Prisoners of War by beating and kicking them, by forcingwater into
their mouths and noses; and by pressing lighted cigarettes against their bodies.

Specification 5: That between 1 April, 1943 and 31 December, 1943, the accused Yukio
Asano, did, willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and torture JohnHenry Burton, an
American Prisoner of War, by beating him; and by fastening him head downward on a
stretcher and forcingwater into his nose.”

Wallach, Evan. “Drop By Drop: Forgetting The History of Water Torture In U.S.
Courts,” The Columbia Journal of Transnational Law, 2007.
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