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How will a counterargument actually solve anything here? Are we just going to keep a tally of lies and see which column gets to be the biggest? Why turn this into a race to the bottom?
Both sides lie. To ask for an accounting to determine a "winner" or to even the score is pointless.
But if we're going to quantify the scope and depth of the lies, in this particular argument, Bush's lies were far more heinous. Like I already implied, I'm not taking sides. I dislike them both and can't imagine why Americans haven't abandoned what is clearly designed to just divide them. Two sides of the same coin and all that...
There is a lot more evidence that Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding she now claims to have never heard of, than there ever was evidence that George W. Bush "lied" about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction. Yet for some reason, the people who screamed the loudest their false allegations of Bush "lying", are now curiously silent about Pelosi's clear act.
When can we expect them to resume their self-appointed duty of exposing politicians who actually did lie... such as Pelosi?
As President, Obama has the ability to declassify classified information. In 2002 Pelosi was not the minority leader and of course did not and does not have that right.
I am, however, highly amused by people attempting to compare Bush's lies with something Pelosi was told 7 years ago.
Your first point is a fair one, but your second indicates a failure to see the issue.
There is a lot more evidence that Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding she now claims to have never heard of, than there ever was evidence that George W. Bush "lied" about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction. Yet for some reason, the people who screamed the loudest their false allegations of Bush "lying", are now curiously silent about Pelosi's clear act.
When can we expect them to resume their self-appointed duty of exposing politicians who actually did lie... such as Pelosi?
Hill Briefed on waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
by Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; Page A01
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
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Where's the part that shows George Bush told the truth about WMDs? On Pelosi, thats easy.
The "BUSH LIED!!!" crowd 2will start screaming "PELOSI LIED!!!" about waterboarding briefing?"
When the Neocons can show that she was President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces at the time.
Otherwise who gives a damn about Pelosi in the first place except the Neocons? I don't personally care if she lies all day long every day because it doesn't affect anything (like causing an unnecessary war, killing 4,000 Americans unnecessarily, causing 300,000 brain injuries and killing hundreds of thousands of civilian non-combatants).
I'll go you one better and say that I suspect the reason there has been so much foot dragging by the current administration in the investigation of and prosecution of war crimes by the previous administration is because it would drag some of their own "friends" into the circle of those who need investigating. Personally, I don't care if it is Republicans or Democrats who are nailed. I'd just like to see a little honesty and integrity in our government for a change.
When can we expect them to resume their self-appointed duty of exposing politicians who actually did lie... such as Pelosi?
It's sometimes more important to go after the criminals who commit an act than it is to go after people who may have been told about parts of it.
As soon as you demonstrate that you have some integrity by clamoring for the torturers to be prosecuted, then we'll start worrying about the bit players in the incident.
There is a lot more evidence that Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding she now claims to have never heard of, than there ever was evidence that George W. Bush "lied" about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction. Yet for some reason, the people who screamed the loudest their false allegations of Bush "lying", are now curiously silent about Pelosi's clear act.
When can we expect them to resume their self-appointed duty of exposing politicians who actually did lie... such as Pelosi?
Hill Briefed on waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
by Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; Page A01
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
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