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Obviously there are specific examples everywhere, on BOTH sides, so it's a bit ridiculous to frame it like you did. There are people on both sides who aren't going to be tolerant, yet there are people on both sides that are very tolerant. Im pretty sure the only place you run into this "tolerance" problem is on internet message boards.
I agree. I don't like being told what to do or how to think - by either the left or the right. Message boards do make it very easy to become divided and express extreme opinions.
The reason Conservatives say that is because for years Liberals have preached "tolerance for all." But there seems to be a disclaimer when it comes to all things Conservative.
Now I don't think all Liberals are the same, some are very well founded in their beliefs and can articulate very well why they believe what they believe. Others just shout, "TOLERANCE!" Every time a Conservative says anything critical of something that they hold dear.
I think that you should clarify your title so it can accurately reflect the truth,
If you rephrase it, you might actually get some decent responses, and not the incoming flamewar. (Unless you intended to cause a big stupid argument?)
Oh my god, Canerican. This is the first time I've read one of your posts and agreed with it. You actually sound reasonable in this post!
What some conservatives don't understand is that you can't be tolerant of intolerance, which from my way of thinking is the sum total of current conservative dogma.
What some conservatives don't understand is that you can't be tolerant of intolerance, which from my way of thinking is the sum total of current conservative dogma.
So all Conservatism equals intolerance in your mind? And you will not tolerate Conservatives because they are all intolerant?
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the thing is, if you are going to tolerate gay marriage and things like that, then you must tolerate people who think it's wrong because of the bible. this country is divided, and it always will be.
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Sure. I agree. Miss California has the right to be for "opposite marriage".
But why do Liberals have to be the ones who are tolerant?
So all Conservatism equals intolerance in your mind? And you will not tolerate Conservatives because they are all intolerant?
That is the apex of intolerance, my friend.
But how much should liberals "tolerate" before they should be allowed to speak up about an issue? You see, by saying, "Oh, I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant", you're basically saying that it's conservatives who should get to decide when liberals are justified in speaking up and when they are not.
When do liberals have a right to speak up? Only when conservatives agree with them?
the thing is, if you are going to tolerate gay marriage and things like that, then you must tolerate people who think it's wrong because of the bible. this country is divided, and it always will be.
But what is the definition of "tolerate" in this case? If it's just tolerating an opinion on same-sex marriage, that's one thing; when there's a push to make same-sex unions illegal, that's quite different.
But how much should liberals "tolerate" before they should be allowed to speak up about an issue? You see, by saying, "Oh, I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant", you're basically saying that it's conservatives who should get to decide when liberals are justified in speaking up and when they are not.
When do liberals have a right to speak up? Only when conservatives agree with them?
Exactly. That is my point. Thanks for saying it better than I ever could! LOL
The finalsay: the thing is, if you are going to tolerate gay marriage and things like that, then you must tolerate people who think it's wrong because of the bible. this country is divided, and it always will be.
I do tolerate them. I had posted a post (I think it is post three) where I said Miss California has the right to support "opposite marriage" if she pleases. I dont care what she thinks.
Also, how tolerant are you towards people who are for gay marriage? Or do you just bring up the Bible or something?
And why aren't you all tolerant towards Pagan faiths who are ok with a homosexual union? Should they be denied too because of the Bible (which has no place in their faith)
How tolerant are you towards Pagans who are ok with gay marriage in their religion but the Church not allowing them?
But how much should liberals "tolerate" before they should be allowed to speak up about an issue? You see, by saying, "Oh, I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant", you're basically saying that it's conservatives who should get to decide when liberals are justified in speaking up and when they are not.
When do liberals have a right to speak up? Only when conservatives agree with them?
Anytime you want (within reason, of course). Liberals have some bad ideas (to a Conservative like me), but we understand that you are coming from a different point of view than ours. I can even empathize with Liberals on some issues, even though I don't agree.
Who told you that you could only speak up when a Conservative agrees with you? You talk about whatever issues you want when you want, it is when people start calling each other morons that it gets really bad.
Perhaps instead of going into a conversation assuming that you will have to disagree and come up with the wittier insult, it would be better for all of us if we could have a reasonable debate.
Of course that never happens because the internet brings out the worst in people, but I can dream right?
I think that there would be alot less whining on this site if people saw it as what it was. And argument on the internet, with people you don't know, and probably would forget you ever posted if you left.
How tolerant are you towards Pagans who are ok with gay marriage in their religion but the Church not allowing them?
You are doing what you are criticizing. You are saying that Conservatives are intolerant if they don't agree with you on gay marriage. If you call others intolerant for not accepting your beliefs, you don't expect them to do the same for not excepting theirs. You are basically setting yourself up, that is probably what you get called intolerant (you, not Liberals in general)
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