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Old 05-10-2009, 07:59 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I don't think you are a troll, in fact, I enjoyed your post.

Typical Lib "responses" here. Instead of a refutation, they attack the messenger.
When the messenger purposely puts on a "Please don't kick me" sign, it's a sure bet that sooner or later, someone will.

But he can count on you to point out the "don't", so he has a champion in his corner.
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Old 05-10-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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Roy,

I've got your back. Just remember, many people read these things and never respond, nor would I blame them.

Krissy
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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This letter came to me in an e-mail. It has been around the internet for a while now. However, I couldn't believe how much like my thoughts these are. I would have written these very words if I wanted to write to my President, which I don't. Pay attention to the last line to see how I really do feel and if you think it necessary plagiarize the e-mail and assign the words to me as they ARE exactly what I think.


AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama, You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support..

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

If you don't want to believe that any of these words are so very true maybe you could offer some words of refutation.
I read things like this in my own email box and I must say it makes me fearful as well. Not fearful of my President or government, as dysfunctional as it can be, it is still pretty damn good system. I am fearful that my fellow countrymen are so afraid and paranoid.

We live in the United States, one of the most open and free nations in the world. We have a military apparatus that is larger than the next 14 of the worlds largest nations combined yet we fear people like Iran or Venezuela or even Cuba. We live in a country that offers nearly everyone with an opportunity to educate themselves with unlimited access to information and the ability to communicate with nearly every corner of the globe. We have the power to speak freely and openly, exchange ideas and even protest the actions of our government in public and in private. We have the right to own firearms to protect ourselves, organize and petition our government. We have two friendly neighbor nations and two of the worlds most vast oceans to protect us from invasion.

So despite being the worlds most physically powerful nation, despite being the worlds most powerful economic force, and most importantly, being the worlds greatest nation of ideas, I live among people who are afraid and fearful. This tells me that many of my countrymen don't really believe in the power and elegance of our system of government, the abilities of its people, or the nobility of its principles. These non-believers who choose fear over concern, cowardice over awareness, vitriol of word over thoughtful action, should resign themselves to forever be obedient servants of ignorance instead of the Americans our forefathers dreamed of.
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Old 05-10-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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liberals certainly know a thing or two about fear don't they?





YouTube - Not Alex



YouTube - MoveOn.org ad against McCain: "Bomb Iran" song

You scare easy, too.
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I read things like this in my own email box and I must say it makes me fearful as well. Not fearful of my President or government, as dysfunctional as it can be, it is still pretty damn good system. I am fearful that my fellow countrymen are so afraid and paranoid.

We live in the United States, one of the most open and free nations in the world. We have a military apparatus that is larger than the next 14 of the worlds largest nations combined yet we fear people like Iran or Venezuela or even Cuba. We live in a country that offers nearly everyone with an opportunity to educate themselves with unlimited access to information and the ability to communicate with nearly every corner of the globe. We have the power to speak freely and openly, exchange ideas and even protest the actions of our government in public and in private. We have the right to own firearms to protect ourselves, organize and petition our government. We have two friendly neighbor nations and two of the worlds most vast oceans to protect us from invasion.

So despite being the worlds most physically powerful nation, despite being the worlds most powerful economic force, and most importantly, being the worlds greatest nation of ideas, I live among people who are afraid and fearful. This tells me that many of my countrymen don't really believe in the power and elegance of our system of government, the abilities of its people, or the nobility of its principles. These non-believers who choose fear over concern, cowardice over awareness, vitriol of word over thoughtful action, should resign themselves to forever be obedient servants of ignorance instead of the Americans our forefathers dreamed of.
A fine assessment indeed. It seems with too many blessings, people are eager to count the curses. Even stranger when those curses are really just figments of the imagination spurred on by a TV overdose. We shouldn't fear the ideological pendulum in the Executive branch near as much as we should fear those who fear it.
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Very good post Hilltopper, however I have to disagree with you about much of it. I used to think that all that we have could be maintained no matter what, but so much negative has happened the past 3 months that I am not sure we are all the things I want to believe we are and that you say we are. I have seen some real erosion in so much of all that that I just have to disagree with you and I don't want to do that.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

These words say what I feel at this time just over 100 days of Obama and the Congress he has to work with. I am not sure that I could be typing these words, in safety, in 8 years from now. I really wonder if they might not have taken freedom of speech from those who do not agree with them. I hope I am wrong but have no reason to believe that I am with the erosions of things up to now.

Sorry, if this is paranoia I guess I need some professional help and don't know how to make sure that that help isn't an Obamaist.
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Very good post Hilltopper, however I have to disagree with you about much of it. I used to think that all that we have could be maintained no matter what, but so much negative has happened the past 3 months that I am not sure we are all the things I want to believe we are and that you say we are. I have seen some real erosion in so much of all that that I just have to disagree with you and I don't want to do that.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

These words say what I feel at this time just over 100 days of Obama and the Congress he has to work with. I am not sure that I could be typing these words, in safety, in 8 years from now. I really wonder if they might not have taken freedom of speech from those who do not agree with them. I hope I am wrong but have no reason to believe that I am with the erosions of things up to now.

Sorry, if this is paranoia I guess I need some professional help and don't know how to make sure that that help isn't an Obamaist.
I just can't help but wonder where fellow freedom-lovers like you were when Bush was eroding civil liberties over something so commonplace and age-old as terrorism. Terrorism should be ignored, not used to justify the erosion of civil liberties.

That's why I say ideology is mostly nonsense. Loss of liberty seems to be just fine as long as it's liberties you don't respect. Few understand that this country was founded on the principle that all liberties are to be respected, as we are all equal.
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I'll bite. A lot of that open letter was purely subjective assessment with A LOT of exaggeration.

First, the alignment with radical extremists who hate America? Are you referring to Rush Limbaugh who hopes to see America fail? Could you please specify exactly how he has aligned himself with radical extremists who hate America for over half of his life? Please use actual facts to back this assertion up over a personal opinion response. Also, I respect that you will not use the ignorant "He was Muslim" retort as meaning he aligned himself with radical extremists. Not all Muslims are radical extremists, but I am sure you are worldly enough to understand that.


Second, the bit about the highest standard of living. This is not true. America is nowhere near the top for highest standard of living in the world. Here are some links:
High Living Standard Countries
STANDARD OF LIVING WORLD STATS, the revealing measurement
Standard of living in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These were the first three links that came up when I googled "highest standard of living world". Didn't have to dig deep for that one. You also may be surprised with the type of governments that are run in those countries that have the highest standard of living.
Hey thanks, Rick, your reply led me to some very interesting reading that I found these words in, in one form or another, P[COLOR="Red"per capita income is high but also less evenly distributed than in most other developed countries"[/color] It seems that you prefer those sources that relate every thing good to distribution of wealth as the most accurate measure of how well a country is going.

The first source you threw in was a map of the more prosperous nations (10) and the interesting thing was the government of each of them. Quite a bit more socialism than we had earlier this year. And one of them just got its socialist government about 1 1/2 years ago. That would be Australia since they switched to a labor government so shortly before we did.

Anyway, I am trying to say that using UN measurements and others that agree with them it is certainly wealth distribution that counts most. I believe that if you get to some sources that are more favorable to capitalism you may find some different measures. I could be wrong but I am one of those who thinks that capitalism is better than socialism, even if some are so unequal to others in wealth. I'm not sure what it takes to be in the middle class but don't think we can pull all our people into equality to say the $50, 000 per year group. However, I don't believe that government can make that happen. I say that the day will come when those in the upper class stop using their money to make more money since that leads to more of theirs being taken for redistribution.

You know as well as I do that that reference to alignment with radical extremists who hate America was about his over 20 year membership in the church of Reverend Wright. Along with years of association with the headman of the Weathermen. How about growing up at the knee of an avowed communist and having a mother who was a communist type in her teens and 20s?

You know that there wasn't any relationship offered to Muslims or Muslim extremists, but you twisted the words very well to make it appear that what you said were there.

Which of the facts in those paragraphs were untrue? Did he not tell about the communist friend he had as a teen in his book? Can you or Obama prove he had as little association with the 60s radical group as he says he had? The more he claimed he didn't the more came out that he did.

Maybe you didn't know that the teachings of Saul Alinsky were what most of his traininig as a community organizer was based upon. Maybe you didn't know that about 1992 he organized the Public Allies, in Chicago, and when he decided to enter politics Michelle took over that organization for three years. If you need proof of this go to Home - Public Allies Public Site and read some about the group.

It seems to me that he indicated in one of his books, neither of which I have read, myself, that he associated with political radicals at Columbia, which years we know so little about other than what he says.

Look at the last sentence of that letter and see what I fear most. Not the man as much as the man and the Congress working in conjunction. I do not feel that I could enter a letter like that 8 years from now without having a knock at my door and a political policeman standing there. Paranoia that wasn't there before the completion of the first 100 days. Too much has been done in so little time that I certainly fear them.
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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This letter came to me in an e-mail. It has been around the internet for a while now. However, I couldn't believe how much like my thoughts these are. I would have written these very words if I wanted to write to my President, which I don't. Pay attention to the last line to see how I really do feel and if you think it necessary plagiarize the e-mail and assign the words to me as they ARE exactly what I think.


AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama, You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support..

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

If you don't want to believe that any of these words are so very true maybe you could offer some words of refutation.
Here's one for the circular file.

Shorter letter would have been:

I didn't vote for you and I'm bitter.
Signed
Republican loser
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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wow

I'd refute your email OP, but if you believe any of those there's zero point in it.

Pathetic - what did you "know" about any other president that didn't scare you, lol?
I have survived those 13 presidents since I was about 12 when the first one died and was replaced by the one of the group that I still respect most. How many of them have you been around for? It has to be more than just George Bush or even Reagan but how much further back do you go? I was a Democrat when Johnson was President so I didn't fear him as I should have. I feared the election of the avowed socialist, George McGovern, enough that I switched parties and have been a Republican ever since.

I did not agree with any of those after that time on all things but didn't find any of them espousing things I just couldn't accept up to the present day. I guess, in my case, it must just be old age, but I fear what my children (both male and over 24) will have to live with unless we get somethings done in politics soon. Now I don't fear the man, himself, as I think he really tries to do what might be best, but I do fear the leaders of his Congress and what they stack on him that won't be good for us in the end. It is absolute control of all branches of the government that I fear and I think it may get here sooner than I want to see it happen.
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