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Skin color and sexual preferences are not even remotely close to the same thing. This very argument is really, really angering the large majority of black Americans.
My logic is that would anger blacks because of the white-only restaurants, white-only restrooms, being forced to sit at the back of the bus, poll taxes, segregated schools, etc. Gay people are not subject to this sort of discrimination and, thus, this comparison is flawed.
I do, however, believe that sexual orientation and race are (somewhat) similar in that a person cannot choose either.
Awesome news? I think you've misunderstood the news. They rejected it because they didn't like the restrictions placed on the new law.
I honestly don't understand what people are afraid of. Same-sex couples exist already, they have kids, and they already live as families. You're really not doing anything good for society by denying those families the same rights as other families.
Skin color and sexual preferences are not even remotely close to the same thing. This very argument is really, really angering the large majority of black Americans.
They're not the same, but there are similarities.
And what's your point in alleging that "the large majority" of black Americans are being angered? Do you now speak for them? My guess is that you want gays and their supporters to just go away, but that's not going to happen. Sorry.
Most people on this forum are moderate or liberal anyways.
So do you think the Bill eventually be passed. The Governor seemed to be in favor for gay marriage, while the gay republican was against it? That's what I understood.
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Awesome news? I think you've misunderstood the news. They rejected it because they didn't like the restrictions placed on the new law.
I honestly don't understand what people are afraid of. Same-sex couples exist already, they have kids, and they already live as families. You're really not doing anything good for society by denying those families the same rights as other families.
My logic is that would anger blacks because of the white-only restaurants, white-only restrooms, being forced to sit at the back of the bus, poll taxes, segregated schools, etc. Gay people are not subject to this sort of discrimination and, thus, this comparison is flawed.
If gays could have been identified solely by their appearance, you can be darn sure that they would have been banned in all of the ways you mentioned. Just because sexual orientation isn't immediately visible doesn't mean that there's not discrimination.
Take a poll of Americans and ask them which bothers them more: The fact that blacks exist in this country or the fact that gays exist. I have a strong feeling that more people approve of blacks in this country than gays. (And don't forget - not all blacks are heterosexual.)
Most people on this forum are moderate or liberal anyways.
Maybe, but the conservatives have clearly taken charge of the board. Look at the list of topics. Last time I checked, about two-thirds of them were started by conservatives. Of course, they still are very angry about the election in November, so it's understandable that they want to vent.
If gays could have been identified solely by their appearance, you can be darn sure that they would have been banned in all of the ways you mentioned. Just because sexual orientation isn't immediately visible doesn't mean that there's not discrimination.
Possibly back in the 60's. Today they wouldn't be even if those laws could exist. America is more accepting of differences in 2009 than it was in 1960.
By "discrimination," I meant those legal restrictions...not abuse by people who don't like gays. I'm aware you all have to deal with a lot of it.
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Maybe, but the conservatives have clearly taken charge of the board. Look at the list of topics. Last time I checked, about two-thirds of them were started by conservatives. Of course, they still are very angry about the election in November, so it's understandable that they want to vent.
Not necessarily true. Both liberals and conservatives like to spew a lot of crap at each other on this forum.
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why does it always come down to a race issue with you? this isn't the 60's.
I see. A civil rights struggle is happening before our eyes. And it's somehow inappropriate, in your view, to draw inspiration or lessons from the last major civil rights struggle? I suppose no civil rights struggle can be compared to any other? That's a pretty brain-dead position to take.
If you are happy looking like a modern-day George Wallace, then go ahead and maintain your bigoted position. The "normal ones" among us would be embarrassed.
My logic is that would anger blacks because of the white-only restaurants, white-only restrooms, being forced to sit at the back of the bus, poll taxes, segregated schools, etc. Gay people are not subject to this sort of discrimination and, thus, this comparison is flawed.
I do, however, believe that sexual orientation and race are (somewhat) similar in that a person cannot choose either.
In reality, our beliefs aren't necessarily facts. It hasn't been established that homosexuality is genetic, while one's race is in fact genetic. If homosexuality is genetic, then one would have to deduct that the following sexual preferences also are genetic:
-Heterosexuality
-Bisexuality
-Asexuality, etc.
And then, how about those folks who only find sexual pleasure by torturing or killing? How about bestiality, necrophilia, and so forth?
In reality, our beliefs aren't necessarily facts. It hasn't been established that homosexuality is genetic, while one's race is in fact genetic. If homosexuality is genetic, then one would have to deduct that the following sexual preferences also are genetic:
-Heterosexuality
-Bisexuality
-Asexuality, etc.
And then, how about those folks who only find sexual pleasure by torturing or killing? How about bestiality, necrophilia, and so forth?
Who cares? If it's genetic, then it's like race. If it's not, then it's like religion. Either way, freedom is the important issue. Gays will achieve it - it's just a matter of how long the losers are going to hang on. They're losing fast now.
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