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Old 06-06-2009, 11:07 PM
 
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Right....that's what Bush Sr. did, remember....and he lost re-election.
You would have to ask Bush, assuming this article is accurate, where he got the impression you needed a war to have a successful presidency. They aren't my words.

I doubt we'd have elected bush if we'd known he was going to invade Iraq.
"I promise needless war, because it'll make me a good president"

And that wasn't one of his father's campaign slogans, either.

I got the impression the gulf war was justified.
Not a good comparison, unless I've been misled about the gulf war.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Daddy Bush wrote in his autobiography that he felt going into Baghdad would be a bad idea, as the Iraqis would view it as an occupation. Too bad Junior did not listen.
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Old 06-07-2009, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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You would have to ask Bush, assuming this article is accurate, where he got the impression you needed a war to have a successful presidency. They aren't my words.

I doubt we'd have elected bush if we'd known he was going to invade Iraq.
"I promise needless war, because it'll make me a good president"

And that wasn't one of his father's campaign slogans, either.

I got the impression the gulf war was justified.
Not a good comparison, unless I've been misled about the gulf war.
This is your quote that I replied to:

“He (Bush) said he wanted to do it(invade Iraq), and the reason he wanted to do it is he had been led to understand that you could not really have a successful presidency unless you were seen as commander-in-chief, unless you were seen as waging a war.”

According to Baker, Bush told Herskowitz, “The ideal thing was a small war, and this is why Bush said nobody was going to be killed in Iraq because he thought it would be small war.”


Why the distinction between whether or not it was needless (in your opinion) or justified....it doesn't say anything like that in your quote. Let's include it though so Bush Sr. had us in Iraq and it was justified....and...he lost re-election.

That being the case, do you really think that was something Bush Jr. wanted to do any way, considering it din't help his father and it was completely justified when he did it.
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Old 06-07-2009, 02:39 AM
 
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This is your quote that I replied to:

“He (Bush) said he wanted to do it(invade Iraq), and the reason he wanted to do it is he had been led to understand that you could not really have a successful presidency unless you were seen as commander-in-chief, unless you were seen as waging a war.”

According to Baker, Bush told Herskowitz, “The ideal thing was a small war, and this is why Bush said nobody was going to be killed in Iraq because he thought it would be small war.”


Why the distinction between whether or not it was needless (in your opinion) or justified....it doesn't say anything like that in your quote. Let's include it though so Bush Sr. had us in Iraq and it was justified....and...he lost re-election.

That being the case, do you really think that was something Bush Jr. wanted to do any way, considering it din't help his father and it was completely justified when he did it.
If Bush had planned to invade Iraq before he was even elected, it was definitely needless - other than for the stated goal of being seen as a successful president. I doubt we'll see many people argue that the point of a presidency is to be 'seen as a successful president'.

Again, these aren't my words. They supposedly came from Jr himself, and I have no idea why he would think that. It is entirely possible that Jr thought Sr was seen as a great president, despite losing reelection. And perhaps he thought the gulf war was a big part of that success.

Or he was joking.

Or this is BS.

I don't think I'm going to have your answers.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You're a liar, Saddam was cooperating with the UN.
Who's the liar?

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The Bush administration and U.N. inspectors had demanded that the declaration, which was flown today from Baghdad to U.N. headquarters in New York, support Iraq's claims that it had destroyed its stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. U.S. and U.N. officials have long been skeptical of Iraq's assertion and insisted on seeing proof that Baghdad eliminated tons of bacteriological and nerve agents it covertly produced and weaponized in the 1980s.

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In a 1999 report to the Security Council, arms inspectors said their most significant unresolved issue with Iraq was its failure to fully account for the biological and chemical weapons it had acknowledged producing.

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"Iraq's past declarations were not accepted as a full account of the scale and the scope of Iraq's [biological weapons] program," the inspectors wrote.

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The chief U.N. weapons inspector, Hans Blix, recently expressed doubt about Iraq's claims that it did not have more thorough evidence. "The production of mustard gas is not like marmalade," he said on a trip to Baghdad last month. "You have to keep some records."
Even with the evidence smacking you upside your brainwashed head, you still deny.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:26 AM
 
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Who's the liar?



Even with the evidence smacking you upside your brainwashed head, you still deny.
OMG! This argument is so over. WMD's were just a pretext for the war in Iraq. I think that has been well established now. It is not clear if Bush knew or not, but certainly the neo-cons that surrounded him knew. Bush just needed a reason and they supplied him one, although completely fabricated lacking any credible evidence. This argument is so done.
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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If Bush had planned to invade Iraq before he was even elected, it was definitely needless - other than for the stated goal of being seen as a successful president. I doubt we'll see many people argue that the point of a presidency is to be 'seen as a successful president'.

Again, these aren't my words. They supposedly came from Jr himself, and I have no idea why he would think that. It is entirely possible that Jr thought Sr was seen as a great president, despite losing reelection. And perhaps he thought the gulf war was a big part of that success.

Or he was joking.

Or this is BS.

I don't think I'm going to have your answers.
No, they're not your words.......it's actually a phrase that's being out of context that supposedly came from Russ Baker (a reporter), who claims to have supposedly come from Mickey Herskowitz (another reporter), who claims to have supposedly come from Bush Jr. It all doesn't make much sense when you consider what I said and along with the fact that it's a phrase being taken out of context, that's being quoted third hand, tends to point to it being a lot of B.S.
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