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Old 06-19-2009, 10:39 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:03 PM
 
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At least someone is waking up! Guess it's a start.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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From your link:

"Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. "A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won't starve," Scheiner says."

Really, you probably should read articles before you post links to them!

LOL!
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:15 PM
 
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"Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. "A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won't starve," Scheiner says."

Really, you probably should read articles before you post links to them!

LOL!
Thank you. You just made me literally LOL.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I worked for a neurosurgeon and he NEVER got paid 20K for a single anterior cervical fusion surgery (or any other spine or brain case). All the payers in my area, rather Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance never paid more than $3,330 for such a surgery. Keep in mind the surgeon I worked for had to give unlimited, free outpatient postoperative care for 90 days after the surgery. So, after taxes, insurance, all of his overhead and 90 days of free care, he was lucky to keep 20 cents on the dollar, a total of $660 for a life changing surgery. Lets not also forget that this payment of $660 has also created a possible multi-million dollar liability in the event the patient decides to sue him.

I have no solutions to our nation's health care issues, but I would really appreciate it if this doctor spoke the truth about what a doctor really makes. Also, there is no way UHC will pay ANY doctor a million dollars a year. Heck, the neurosurgeon I worked for never collected more than 850K in receipts in one year before taxes, overhead and etc.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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I worked for a neurosurgeon and he NEVER got paid 20K for a single anterior cervical fusion surgery (or any other spine or brain case). All the payers in my area, rather Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance never paid more than $3,330 for such a surgery. Keep in mind the surgeon I worked for had to give unlimited, free outpatient postoperative care for 90 days after the surgery. So, after taxes, insurance, all of his overhead and 90 days of free care, he was lucky to keep 20 cents on the dollar, a total of $660 for a life changing surgery. Lets not also forget that this payment of $660 has also created a possible multi-million dollar liability in the event the patient decides to sue him.

I have no solutions to our nation's health care issues, but I would really appreciate it if this doctor spoke the truth about what a doctor really makes. Also, there is no way UHC will pay ANY doctor a million dollars a year. Heck, the neurosurgeon I worked for never collected more than 850K in receipts in one year before taxes, overhead and etc.
Thank you for the logical response. Most people who advocate for UHC have no idea what that means or the reprocussions of such actions.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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"I have a suspicion they pick people from the top echelon of medicine, people who write about it but haven't been struggling in it," he says.

That seems to be a theme with 0bama, he surrounds himself with the wealthy elites from Wall Street and the Ivy League schools, but very few, if anyone that I know of is a representative of small business owners, small financier or banker, small business entrepreneur, or people who worked their life in the private sector, or as his former doctor says, a doctor from a small private practice. so maybe his views of America, and the advice he is getting is all skewed.

0bama surrounds himself with the public sector elites, like those from the Clinton administration, Wall Street financial executives, former lobbyists, campaign fund-raisers, former journalists of the big network media and newspapers and magazines.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: here.
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"I have a suspicion they pick people from the top echelon of medicine, people who write about it but haven't been struggling in it," he says.

That seems to be a theme with 0bama, he surrounds himself with the wealthy elites from Wall Street and the Ivy League schools, but very few, if anyone that I know of is a representative of small business owners, small financier or banker, small business entrepreneur, or people who worked their life in the private sector, or as his former doctor says, a doctor from a small private practice. so maybe his views of America, and the advice he is getting is all skewed.

0bama surrounds himself with the public sector elites, like those from the Clinton administration, Wall Street financial executives, former lobbyists, campaign fund-raisers, former journalists of the big network media and newspapers and magazines.
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Old 06-19-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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I worked for a neurosurgeon and he NEVER got paid 20K for a single anterior cervical fusion surgery (or any other spine or brain case). All the payers in my area, rather Medicare, Medicaid or private insurance never paid more than $3,330 for such a surgery. Keep in mind the surgeon I worked for had to give unlimited, free outpatient postoperative care for 90 days after the surgery. So, after taxes, insurance, all of his overhead and 90 days of free care, he was lucky to keep 20 cents on the dollar, a total of $660 for a life changing surgery. Lets not also forget that this payment of $660 has also created a possible multi-million dollar liability in the event the patient decides to sue him.

I have no solutions to our nation's health care issues, but I would really appreciate it if this doctor spoke the truth about what a doctor really makes. Also, there is no way UHC will pay ANY doctor a million dollars a year. Heck, the neurosurgeon I worked for never collected more than 850K in receipts in one year before taxes, overhead and etc.

Thank you for listing the real figures. People think Dr = RICH and they have no clue what Dr's actually make and what they actually take home.

My GP was working 6 days a week from 6am-7pm and his gross was just over 150K and then he had to pay wages, takes, rent,etc. He was living in a tiny 2 bedroom home and drove a old pick up truck.

He is only 42 and said he will probably never be able to retire because he can't save. The insurance companies were choking him and the IRS was digging in his pockets for any money he had left. It's a shame.
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Old 06-19-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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From your link:

"Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. "A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won't starve," Scheiner says."

Really, you probably should read articles before you post links to them!

LOL!

I posted it for a topic to debate other then to try and trash republicans for showing up to work or something silly like most of the republican trashing threads

I didnt post it for one side or the other , other then to have a serious thread started.

How is that so wrong?
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