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In my opinion, we now have one sane person in the house when it comes to Iran. The lone wolf voted "no" to the resolution. I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, but he brings out the partial Libertarian in me when he rocks his foreign affair views time after time. A few Republicans make my eyes glaze over on this when they speak, and I cannot agree with any Democrat who signed on to this (which is all of them). I for one support Ron Paul in this, and I agree with the way Obama is handling this. It's still not our place in the world to enforce ourselves on other nations.
With that being said, it is a catch22. I do hope nothing bad happens in Iran tomorrow. The news/speculation does not sound good right now. If a government is willing to massacre its people, to hell with them.
Discuss your views on this. I'm sure many disagree.
That would be all the liberal idiots on this forum that have proclaimed from the mountaintops that Republicans have it wrong and Democrats and Obama have it right on the whole Iranian election issue.
I implore each of you to admit you were wrong, or express your extreme dissatisfaction with the Democrats in congress who voted against what you believe is right. Siding with the dissidents sends the exact message that each of you have claimed is counterproductive (ala John McCain). I'm laughing at each of you because apparently your elected representatives disagree with you as evidenced by this resolution. We are now "meddling in Iranian affairs," at least according to your types.
Last edited by AeroGuyDC; 06-19-2009 at 02:42 PM..
Sure, I think the vote is dumb as hell and does nothing.
I also would like to point out that utilizing rhetoric by stating something in the public atmosphere as Obama and McCain have done and voting on a resolution are completely different political tools.
Also, Democrats are liberal? lol
Short version: Obama's approach is fine, Congress should stay out of foreign policy.
i absolutely think that ron paul could be our next president. he may not be charismatic, but he has values and principles and at some point americans are going to want to choose someone with those qualities over charisma. ron paul has been consistent and, more importantly, he has been right.
That would be all the liberal idiots on this forum that have proclaimed from the mountaintops that Republicans have it wrong and Democrats and Obama have it right on the whole Iranian election issue.
I implore each of you to admit you were wrong, or express your extreme dissatisfaction with the Democrats in congress who voted against what you believe is right. Siding with the dissidents sends the exact message that each of you have claimed is counterproductive (ala John McCain). I'm laughing at each of you because apparently your elected representatives disagree with you as evidenced by this resolution. We are now meddling in Iranian affairs, at least according to your types.
You do realize that every single Republican (besides Paul) voted with the Democrats on this?
"I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly."
Also, should probably look at what Ron Paul said in reference to his vote:
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I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about “condemning” the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.
Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama’s cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.
I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.
• "Expresses its support for all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law;
• "Condemns the ongoing violence against demonstrators by the Government of Iran and pro-government militias, as well as the ongoing government suppression of independent electronic communication through interference with the Internet and cellphones; and
• "Affirms the universality of individual rights and the importance of democratic and fair elections."
You do realize that every single Republican (besides Paul) voted with the Democrats on this?
You miss the point entirely. It's the liberals/Democrats on this forum that have proclaimed very loudly that Obama is doing right by keeping quiet and John McCain and Republicans are wrong by saying we should show solidarity towards the Iranian people and free elections. Now that every Democrat has voted in support of dissidents, and thus support what John McCain said all along, its time for the libs on this forum to fess up that they were wrong, or express extreme dissatisfaction with their elected representatives. You can't have it both ways.
Despite the fact that life isn't binary AeroGuy, I agree with Ron Paul on this. I've never stated that the "liberals" are anything, I've stated the approach I would prefer which is what Obama was pursuing. Since you just started paying attention to this set of current events; idiots like Liebermann wanted a much more hands on approach.
People agreed with Obama, no one really was paying attention to dems in congress.
As a note Ron Paul agrees with Obama. I would just like that to mess with everyone's heads for a minute (including mine).
you have to admit Ron Paul has been VERY right on alot of issues.
He said we we're fooling ourselves w/our prosperity due to fed's monetary policy in 06ish.
He thought Iraq was a mistake.
He thought fannie & freddie were going to cause a massive housing bubble
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