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Old 06-25-2009, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Absolutely. If you were to call your reps and ask if they will also choose the public plan, what do YOU think the answer would be? If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for the rest of us!
Why should he have to, though? The whole point of this public healthcare is to give people access to healthcare when they don't have such access or the healthcare that they do have is inadequate. The people who are satisfied with their healthcare don't have to change plans, and neither should the politicians.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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Wouldn't it make more sense to create a Nationalized Health Care Program for the uninsured ONLY instead of revamping the whole system and making tax payers foot a horrendous bill that will kill private healthcare, forcing everyone on the healthcare dole?

Maybe I'm making too much sense.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: here.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to create a Nationalized Health Care Program for the uninsured ONLY instead of revamping the whole system and making tax payers foot a horrendous bill that will kill private healthcare, forcing everyone on the healthcare dole?

Maybe I'm making too much sense.
still doesn't solve the problem that Americans want solved...COST OF HEALTHCARE will be 50TRILLION over the next 10 years.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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50TRILLION over the next 10 years
Where do you get this figure - from your nether regions?
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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still doesn't solve the problem that Americans want solved...COST OF HEALTHCARE will be 50TRILLION over the next 10 years.
50 trillion? Ohhhhh you mean how much it will cost taxpayers if this plans goes into action.

Seriously though, curbing malpractice suits and the cost of malpractice insurance could help with care inflation. It's what cause most of the price increases to begin with. That and chemical companies triple pricing and trademarking certain key medications.......
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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This looks like it could be DOA based on viewers. It's called overexposure. Thank God.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:20 PM
 
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I'm a cardiologist and Obama disappoints me. I voted for him in the election and I'm sorry I did. During the election, he mentioned forcing employers to provide insurance or else pay a fee. Now he is backtracking and saying he wants a European health care mode aka Socialized Medicine. He is a liar and a fraud. I made a mistake and will vote Republican in the next election.

What upsets me about Obama and his administrations' view on health care reform is his failure to implicate or even mention lawyers' involvement with the process. Attorneys and their frivolous law suits drive up the cost of health care in two ways. First, doctors order unnecessary tests to practice what we call "CYA" medicine or "Cover Your A$$" medicine because even if we had reasonable suspicion and did our best to diagnose and treat someone and someone gets hurt, you will be sued and the prosecuting attorney will ask why you didn't order this test. This is why we order so many tests. With regard to my money, I would much rather see more patients than see less patients and spend more time on each one ordering and performing unnecessary tests just so that I can safeguard myself against a potential lawsuit.

The second way in which lawyers drive up costs is through insurance companies paying for these damages. Like any company, the insurance companies shift the cost onto the customers and reduce reimbursements for physicians. Right now, there are only 32 states in the country that place limits on punitive damages or the "pain and sufferring" damages. Even though you will cover their costs and any future costs the patient might endure, lawyers like to add on additional fees for punitive damages to punish or send a message which is unnecessary in most cases. Obviously attorneys are against these caps because that limits the amount of money they can make. There should be limits on punitive damages in all 50 states. There should also be legislation that protects doctors from unnecessary lawsuits provided the physician acted in good faith and in a reasonable way. This will never happen of the attorney lobby in this country and because Obama is a lawyer himself. It wasn't even mentioned once.

And the other problem I have with Obama's health care reform is he mentions no efforts to reform the insurance companies themselves. Their costs are not 100% entirely correlated to damages from law suits as they will justify. They raised premiums to make more profit...plain and simple, yet nothing was mentioned to go after the insurance companies.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:28 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Yep, Tort reform is a start.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Perhaps you are correct. But in general there are no two "civilized" countries alike anywhere on this earth. To compare American health reform that is based on a capitalistic market system to those of more socialistic countries is bit of a stretch. I don't think any of us, including our government, quite understands what imposing national healthcare means for this country.
Yet the logic used by opponents is that universal health care doesn't work in x, y, z country.
I personally judge a country by how it cares for its least fortunate.
America fails miserably in this respect.
We have more homeless people than anyplace I've travelled outside of Indonesia.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Yet the logic used by opponents is that universal health care doesn't work in x, y, z country.
It doesn't for a variety of reasons. Demographics (too diverse), economics (too broke), and culture (land of opportunity and not socialist mindset among the majority of intelligent individuals)

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I personally judge a country by how it cares for its least fortunate.
That's one way for sure. I'm also assuming you are using the word "caring" in the context of public policy. America is one of the most charitable countries on earth, from a private standpoint.

Oh, and my cousins are Hungarian and have miserable UNIVERSAL health care. Forget about suing a doctor who screws up your operation.
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America fails miserably in this respect.
That's ok. We have more wealth mobility than most other countries. That's why (until now that we've become increasingly socialist) immigrants would flock here. They weren't given a dime to make their way.
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We have more homeless people than anyplace I've travelled outside of Indonesia.
The land of opportunity is going to have the opportunity for failure as well.

Oh yeah from http://www.youthxchange.net/main/b236_homeless-p.asp

according to the European Observatory on Homelessness (2003), some 3 million people have no fixed home of their own, while a further 15 million people live in sub-standard or overcrowded accommodation. These 18 million individuals represent 5% of the total population and they include considerable numbers of women and young people;
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