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Old 06-26-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Ad hominem attacks don't impress me.
It wasn't an attack,just putting it into perspective for you
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:04 AM
 
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Have you read either the bill or the amendment to the bill ?
It's not what you think it is.
Oil companies are already saying that they will have to shut down refineries and move operations off shore in response to this bill. I'm totally okay with that.

The sooner gas gets to $7 a gallon the better. It's the only way we are going to get people out of their cars and onto public transportation.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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I found this in the Cap and Trade devistation thread. Deserves to be it's own. Credit to the post I found it in in 1 sec.

Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml


Take note people.

Dems that voted no:

Altmire
Arcuri
Barrow
Berry
Boren
Bright
Carney
Childers
Costa
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
Donnelly (IN)
Edwards (TX)
Ellsworth
Foster
Griffith
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Kissell
Kucinich
Marshall
Massa
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Minnick
Mitchell
Mollohan
Nye
Ortiz
Pomeroy
Rahall
Rodriguez
Ross
Salazar
Stark
Tanner
Taylor
Visclosky
Wilson (OH)
Whimpy Republicans and Brave Democrats!
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Between stimulus and cap&trade legislation, lots of traitorous scum to vote out next election cycle.
Check out Blowoutcongress.com. I think we should vote out every incumbent every election until they begin to realize that they work for us.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oil companies are already saying that they will have to shut down refineries and move operations off shore in response to this bill. I'm totally okay with that.

The sooner gas gets to $7 a gallon the better. It's the only way we are going to get people out of their cars and onto public transportation.
You assume every city has public transportation. Once you leave the major cities you will quickly see there is little to none and no money to support one.

Rural America cannot afford $7/gal. Farmers are going broke as it is due to fuel/feed costs compared to what they net.

Not everyone lives in NYC and has access to public transportation 24/7.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:14 AM
 
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Those that live in their nice little world with mommies money that bought them their nice house, car and education don't understand that. They never had to work for anything. You here talks about a mandatory draft sometimes... I thnk what we shoulld do is make it mandatory that if you graduate from college you have to push a broom around the streets for a year. If you went to law school it's two years.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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You assume every city has public transportation. Once you leave the major cities you will quickly see there is little to none and no money to support one.

Rural America cannot afford $7/gal. Farmers are going broke as it is due to fuel/feed costs compared to what they net.

Not everyone lives in NYC and has access to public transportation 24/7.
I don't assume that at all. I know that most cities in America have inadequate public transportation. But that's a function of priorities and the sooner that Americans start demanding public transportation option, the sooner they will get built. Right now those "farmers" you refer to are perfectly happy getting into their pickup trucks and getting 8 miles to the gallon to drive themselves to the grocery store. That has to change.

In Japan, you can get anywhere, even the most remote areas by rail or bus. Same thing in Europe for the most part. The US has to catch up. The fact that cities as large as Phoenix, Vegas, Orlando, etc..., have almost no public transportation system is a huge problem.

Fact is, if we stop fighting expensive wars for oil and start spending that money on rail and bridges we will be better off.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Right now those "farmers" you refer to are perfectly happy getting into their pickup trucks and getting 8 miles to the gallon to drive themselves to the grocery store. That has to change.
Try 50 miles to get to that grocery store. You won't see any public transportation in rural America anytime soon. Too spread out and too little money.

There's no way I would use it..I need that pickup to haul bales of hay, 50-100lb sacks of feed, lumber and such for building. And I'm not even true "rural"...just a few acres outside the city limits where I can have some livestock.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by bls5555 View Post
I found this in the Cap and Trade devistation thread. Deserves to be it's own. Credit to the post I found it in in 1 sec.

Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml


Take note people.

Dems that voted no:

Altmire
Arcuri
Barrow
Berry
Boren
Bright
Carney
Childers
Costa
Costello
Dahlkemper
Davis (AL)
Davis (TN)
DeFazio
Donnelly (IN)
Edwards (TX)
Ellsworth
Foster
Griffith
Herseth Sandlin
Holden
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Kissell
Kucinich
Marshall
Massa
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Minnick
Mitchell
Mollohan
Nye
Ortiz
Pomeroy
Rahall
Rodriguez
Ross
Salazar
Stark
Tanner
Taylor
Visclosky
Wilson (OH)
I guess I will have to send a thank you message to each of the republicans that voted yes, and a nastygram to each of the dems.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Try 50 miles to get to that grocery store. You won't see any public transportation in rural America anytime soon. Too spread out and too little money.

There's no way I would use it..I need that pickup to haul bales of hay, 50-100lb sacks of feed, lumber and such for building. And I'm not even true "rural"...just a few acres outside the city limits where I can have some livestock.
Liberals don't realize that without those trucks they will have an empty dining table or everything on their table will be from Mexico.

Most people don't think long or deep enough to even understand how they are able to get on with daily life without the people that work for a living. Everything is either taken for granted or they a re just oblivious.
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