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Do you not realize that you have a business incentive to create an energy efficient business? You can sell your carbon credits and make money off of being efficient. If you cannot be efficient then maybe you shouldn't be in business.
if you believe that you are an ass ha ha ha.PUT ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE
Astonishing is going a bit overboard. He's done some decent things but he's also done some really stupid things.
I would have thought you would have some examples of these really stupid things. And a sensible argument as to why they were stupid perhaps.
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At least try to be a little fair in your assessment.
The purpose of that post was to introduce some fairness and balance to this thread. May I ask if you considered the OP to be an example of fairness? At least numbers 7, 8, 10, 15, 17, 21, 22, and 24 are outright falsehoods. Others such as 12 and 13 contain outright falsehoods. Is simply lying about people what you would call fair?
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But with your obvious resentment of anything republican I'm guessing fair is out of the question. Gotta love city data.
No, not anything Republican. But darn near everything that's been Republican lately. Can you blame me?
Astonishing is going a bit overboard. He's done some decent things but he's also done some really stupid things. At least try to be a little fair in your assessment. But with your obvious resentment of anything republican I'm guessing fair is out of the question. Gotta love city data.
"Decent" and "stupid" are merely opinions formed from your idealogical point of view...let's not try to pretend the OP's list was any less biased against liberal/democratic idealogy (and some of it was utter nonsense to boot). Just as the glass can either be half empty or full, you kind of see what your eyes want to see.
But yeah...city data, the only place I know on the interweb where many of the posters (and sometimes the moderators) are even more obnoxious and combative than I am.
And the queen of england can go to the deuce for all I care. What's she do? Nothing important...
Do you not realize that you have a business incentive to create an energy efficient business? You can sell your carbon credits and make money off of being efficient. If you cannot be efficient then maybe you shouldn't be in business.
I own a trucking company. Please explain to me how cap and trade will help me. And you said a mouthful when you said "if you cannot be efficient then maybe you shouldn't be in buisness". Alot of companies will not be efficient enough to meet these standards and will relocate to other countries, downsize to offset costs, or go out of buisness. All this green stuff in theory sounds great, but in reality it does not work well, especially in a serious reccession.
I'd say not real good, but I spose that depends on your point of view, how you voted, how brown your face is by now. I could be wrong. Here's some pointers I picked up for a discussion with a friend, some things that are just beyond the pale for a US President to do. Remember, theis is MY POV.
1. Offended the Queen of England
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
7 Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions
8. Expanded the bailouts
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian
10. Doubled our national debt .
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other appointees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word terrorism no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as man made disasters.
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America 's greatness.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was mostly caused by illegal guns from the U.S.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins and announced ACORN [the organization under massive scrutiny amid allegations of election fraud] would manage the process.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for torturing a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water over his face.
20. Air Force One flew over New York City for a photo op without notifying local authorities causing widespread panic.
21. Took over the American Automobile industry and handed over 50% off to the unions [because he said he owed them].
22. Continued his drive for absolute gun control activities, thumbing his nose at the 2nd Amendment.
23. Offered travel and living subsidies in the U.S. to Hamas activists displaced from the Gaza Strip.
24. Got more airtime [TV] than Oprah Winfrey and was seldom in Washington tending to the business of State.
25. Announced the closure of enemy combatants detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba but failed to address the issue of 'what' to do with the 200+ prisoners currently held there. Rumors persist that they'll be housed on U.S. soil...
Other than that, we're doing just fine.
Only 1360 (+/-) more FRIGHTENING days to go...
First off, your list includes a lot of "non-issues" as far as I'm concerned (who he's saluting, bowing to, kissing, etc.). The fact is that whether Obama or McCain would have been elected, the mess that the Bush administration left for either successor is enormous. Frankly, it might take 20-30 years to clean up, maybe more. Furthermore, the people living today (especially, the working age group) has to deal with issues that previous generations and administrations kept pushing towards the future. The future is now here and we are stuck dealing with them whether we want to or not. We have no other choice. Those issues are healthcare reform, social security, medicare, and more. Partisan politics are not going to solve anything.
First off, your list includes a lot of "non-issues" as far as I'm concerned (who he's saluting, bowing to, kissing, etc.). The fact is that whether Obama or McCain would have been elected, the mess that the Bush administration left for either successor is enormous. Frankly, it might take 20-30 years to clean up.
You are right - Bush left one horrendous mess - if you read about his life - it's a recurring theme with the man...
And you are right - no matter who took office - the economic near-depression he left us with would be playing out for over a year no matter who was in the Oval Office.
I think he's doing a good job - and that it will take time for his policies to turn things around...
In the meantime - expect a lot of negative posts from the Obama Haters - the Ditto Heads of the world...
Good thing is the country has come to ignore them and the GOP - they've witnessed first hand what a mess their ilk has left this country in - and I doubt they will trust them for another generation to lead this nation...
Obama will get us back on the road to recovery - but it will take time - 2 years in my opinion...
I would have to say that he is a failure so far. Everything that the lefties say Bush failed at, Obama has made worse. We are headed for rampant recession, hyper-inflation and the stimulus bill is anything but stimulating. He has made our country weaker both fiscally and by apologizing and cow-towing to foreign governments. I love how some folks think it will take years to clean up the Bush mess, what about the Obama mess? It will take generations upon generations to clear this red tape and pork up.
My only hope is that future administrations realize "Here is what not to do" when taking over. Then again, they did not learn from the Carter disaster obviously.
I'd say not real good, but I spose that depends on your point of view, how you voted, how brown your face is by now. I could be wrong. Here's some pointers I picked up for a discussion with a friend, some things that are just beyond the pale for a US President to do. Remember, theis is MY POV.
1. Offended the Queen of England
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
7 Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions
8. Expanded the bailouts
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian
10. Doubled our national debt .
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other appointees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word terrorism no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as man made disasters.
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America 's greatness.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was mostly caused by illegal guns from the U.S.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins and announced ACORN [the organization under massive scrutiny amid allegations of election fraud] would manage the process.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for torturing a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water over his face.
20. Air Force One flew over New York City for a photo op without notifying local authorities causing widespread panic.
21. Took over the American Automobile industry and handed over 50% off to the unions [because he said he owed them].
22. Continued his drive for absolute gun control activities, thumbing his nose at the 2nd Amendment.
23. Offered travel and living subsidies in the U.S. to Hamas activists displaced from the Gaza Strip.
24. Got more airtime [TV] than Oprah Winfrey and was seldom in Washington tending to the business of State.
25. Announced the closure of enemy combatants detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba but failed to address the issue of 'what' to do with the 200+ prisoners currently held there. Rumors persist that they'll be housed on U.S. soil...
Other than that, we're doing just fine.
Only 1360 (+/-) more FRIGHTENING days to go...
Let's be honest, OP. You would be ranting about any Democrat. You disagree with Obama's basic philosophy, ergo you believe he is doing poorly.
Generally speaking, liberals prefer a nuanced, intelligent approach to foreign dignitaries and conservatives prefer a strong-willed, black-and-white approach. Both have their place, but what you see as groveling and apologizing is nothing more than acknowledging mistakes and working with people rather than dictating to them (must I bring up Bush kissing the Saudi King?)
Many of your other claims are not at all what Obama said. You have twisted reality to suit your partisan view and it's rather useless.
btw - the Queen of England LOVES the Obamas and, per a press release, was not offended in any way. Let's focus on facts, shall we?
We either have a Carter or an FDR. Only time and, frankly, extenuating circumstances beyond anyone's control, will dictate which. The only reason I think we might have an FDR is the situation Obama adopted.
Carter came into office after years of rampant liberalism and tried to fix it with more liberalism. That's why he failed.
Obama, like FDR, comes into office after years of rampant conservatism and is trying to balance things out. That's why FDR succeeded and, hopefully, Obama will too.
I think he is going for the record as worse president. Move over Jimmy Carter!
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