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And your purpose in resurrecting all this history is what, besides fomenting arguments and bad feelings? Give it a rest. Every election cycle is about hope. The current administration doesn't have a patent on it. Nor have any in the past.
We don't have time to rest . We are exspecting possibly a couple million instant citizens with his amnesty, any stage abortions on demand that will be mostly blacks and whites since most immigrants have lots of kids and no abortions . Free care for their extended familys. No jobs and food supply is limited .
Since liberal lifestles are not very healthy, they will possibly have hard time seeing dr.s with 300 million non english speakers in front of them .
I don't think most liberals will be happy either this time next year .
Every positive person has HOPE. Conservatives have HOPE that Obama will not bankrupt the country and turn it into a socialist state. HOPE and FAITH are usually related- this is what got our country through those difficult times you noted. Ironically, most liberals oppose FAITH. HOPE without FAITH and committment is just whining. That is what was so laughable about Obama's "HOPE" campaign. Instead of bitching and whining, why not try "HARD WORK", "EDUCATION", and "SACRIFICE"? "HOPE" plays alot better, as it allows people who have not worked hard or educated themselves to ***** without putting forward any effort. Obama's "HOPE" is actually the DESPAIR of capitulation of one's free will to the government in exchange for "protection". Who was it who said that, "Those who sacrifice their liberty in exchange for comfort deserve neither"?
I think that is what Golfgod meant...stay positive and have hope...PS Was it Ben Franklin that had that flash of wisdom.
Throughout last year's Presidential campaign and continuing up through the present the righties have constantly denounced, belittled and laughed at the idea of "hope" as exemplified by Obama's campaign. Unlike many other people I'm glad to see this criticism because it shows the bankruptcy of their programs, ideas and ideology.
But first let's go back to where the idea of "hope" as a campaign center piece started. From the Old Testament-Hebrews we are told that faith is "the assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen." This is quite different from Bush's "faith based" ideas on disaster relief-Katriana, military strategy-"bring em on" or reaction to tough times-"when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping". This was a belief in oneself and the goodness of one's nation, to see beyond color, race or background, to look for a brighter future.
As Obama elequently stated it in (probably more than) one of his speeches; "it was hope that caused the immigrants to forgo family and home in Europe and cross the oceans, it was hope that caused the pioneer families to load up wagons and cross the desert, it was hope that motivated a President to inspire us to go to the moon.
We're now six months into the Obama administration, less than that into the signing of the stimulus bill, and the right is moaning that "the stimulus is a failure". But let's go back and look at some important events from our past and see how they were going six months in:
The American Revolution; The battle at Lexington took place in April '75, it would be 15 months before the Declaration of Indpendence was signed. It would be December of '76 before Washington defeated the British at Trenton and Princeton.
The Civil War; Hostilities began in April '61 and it was pretty much all downhill for the Union until July '63 when, within a couple of days of each other, Grant took Vickburg, opening the Mississippi River, and Lee was defeated and turned back at Gettysburg.
WW II; The US entered WW II when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in December '41, up until then and continuing for the forseeable future the Japanese military (particularly the Navy) steadily advanced across the Pacific. The Battle of Midway took place in May of 42, six months after Pearl Harbor, the US Navy staged a stunning defeat of the Imperial Navy. From then through August '45 the Japanese Navy did nothing but retreat.
Watergate; The break in occurred in June '72, it would be a year before the existence of the WH taping system was revealed, another 4 months before the "Saturday Night Massacre", another nine months before the "smoking gun" tape was revealed.
So, would I like things to have turned on a dime after the inauguration? Yes. Did I expect them to? No. Do I have "hope" for the future?...
Absolutely. Every time I read another of the constant "birther", "hope-n-change" or similar threads on here I am renewed in my faith and hope. I know that the right had no ideas for the last 15 years since the (laughably titled and executed) "contract for America" and see that they've learned nothing.
So to my fellow posters (I won't call you friends) on the right, to paraphrase your #2 god GW Bush; if that's all you've got BRING IT ON.
golfgod
First of all, Hebrews is a book of the New Testament.
"Hope" as used by the Obama campaign is a version of "new and improved". This is the most effective marketing technique of all time because it incorporates the consumer's sense of entitlement (I deserve better/improved) into the pitch and makes use of their own innate ability to delude themselves (Bush broke it, a first term senator with a thin resume will fix it). The idea that something is new (change: not Bush/not McSame) and improved (hope: new ideas) is as old as the tax and spend policies that are not named and to which the pitch corresponds. During the campaign we heard, "you deserve better". Self-involved Americans agreed. No mention was made of where the money would come from and supporters didn't ask. "The top one percent have had it too easy under this administration". The supporters agreed. They agreed because they wanted to believe that BO could wave a magic wand and make the economic woes of the nation go away. They wanted to believe that one man was responsible for all that was wrong and replacing him with a first term senator with a thin resume would make everything OK again. But why? What were the new ideas? Was exporting abortion the missing piece of our economic policy? Did law makers spend too much time reading bills before voting on them? Well the stimulus is an unqualified failure. So why did we borrow $800,000,000,000? It hasn't created any jobs. We may have been able to change it if a vote were not demanded before anyone could read it. The justification at the time was that it was so urgently needed that it had to be passed immediately. But then BO took five days to sign it.
Then the budget was rammed through in similar fashion along with Cap and Trade. Now we are throwing away the greatest medical system that ever existed because 47 million Americans are uninsured. Well actually most of them are Americans. Twenty percent of that number are undocumented workers. Some of the documented workers are also illegal aliens using fake IDs that are readily available to fence jumpers with the right connections. A lot of the others in that number are people who simply opt out of employer health insurance programs. But something has to be done about this crisis, Right? So now were going to scrap the system that provides the world with 80% of medical advances for one that will tread water at best. But this is about politics and not medicine. Democrats can sell class resentment and avoid the sticky issues of bankrupt Medicare and Medicaid by creating a new unsustainable federal Leviathan. With millions of baby-boomers set to retire in the upcoming decades and with Social Security also near bankruptcy, the new revenues from now justifiable millionaire surtaxes and cuts to the mandatory UHC, perhaps the Social Security ticking time bomb of new beneficiaries will be pushed back a few years. But what has not been discussed is the change we will all be forced to accept. Whether the government raises taxes or prints monopoly money, all classes will pay more for everything. We will work harder than ever for less than ever. The millionaire surtax will be passed onto the less affluent in the form of higher rates for professional services and increased retail prices. Think grocery stores don't have legal bills?
Cap and Trade will increase the cost of energy for everyone. Skyrocketing deficits will increase interest payments on our national debt. And again the price of everything will increase. Exports will tank as foreign buyers reject pricier than ever American products in favor of cheap Asian products. Those will be cheaper than ours because, unlike us, they will use the cheapest energy available. We will all experience the lowest standard of living since the great depression because these are the sort of policies that made a sever recession into a great Depression. Hoover increased tax rates in 1932 and overall US investment dropped like a rock the next year. Government intervention to replace the missing investment that was taxed out of the system was an unqualified disaster that kept unemployment rates at an average 18.3% throughout the era. In fact, it wasn't until the military draft was reinstated in 1940 that unemployment dropped below 14.3%.
But taxes are where it's at if you're a politician. So now we hide them in the form of corporate taxes, taxes on energy (soon to go through the roof) and a soon to expanded list of sin taxes. With the pound of flesh they demand of us all, they can buy more votes. FRD had to die in office to avoid reelection by scared and dependent constituents who surrendered their confidence and self-determination along with their tax dollars. They were afraid of how much worse it might be without the generous hand of government.
We're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic with the giant ice berg of mounting debt and increasing trade deficits dead ahead. Applying Band Aids to various economic bubbles is all that we are doing. Nothing is being earned in the world market place and nothing will be even possible when cap and trade goes into effect. India and China will compete with us for petroleum as their economies rebound. This will send the price of fuels in the US back into the stratosphere without missing a beat. CAFE standards will help, but at the cost of what is left of the US auto industry. See, the unions that liberals point to with such pride, like the UAW, provide their shrinking ranks with an excellent pay and benefits package, but make producing fuel efficient vehicles unprofitable.
No, there are no answers here. Tax and spend, like government intervention in the free market has never worked and it never will. The cure is always worse then the disease when the government gets involved because government is in the business of getting reelected. As we have seen many, many times failure is no barrier to reelection and robbing the next generation all but guarantees another term.
First of all, Hebrews is a book of the New Testament.
"Hope" as used by the Obama campaign is a version of "new and improved". This is the most effective marketing technique of all time because it incorporates the consumer's sense of entitlement (I deserve better/improved) into the pitch and makes use of their own innate ability to delude themselves (Bush broke it, a first term senator with a thin resume will fix it). The idea that something is new (change: not Bush/not McSame) and improved (hope: new ideas) is as old as the tax and spend policies that are not named and to which the pitch corresponds. During the campaign we heard, "you deserve better". Self-involved Americans agreed. No mention was made of where the money would come from and supporters didn't ask. "The top one percent have had it too easy under this administration". The supporters agreed. They agreed because they wanted to believe that BO could wave a magic wand and make the economic woes of the nation go away. They wanted to believe that one man was responsible for all that was wrong and replacing him with a first term senator with a thin resume would make everything OK again. But why? What were the new ideas? Was exporting abortion the missing piece of our economic policy? Did law makers spend too much time reading bills before voting on them? Well the stimulus is an unqualified failure. So why did we borrow $800,000,000,000? It hasn't created any jobs. We may have been able to change it if a vote were not demanded before anyone could read it. The justification at the time was that it was so urgently needed that it had to be passed immediately. But then BO took five days to sign it.
Then the budget was rammed through in similar fashion along with Cap and Trade. Now we are throwing away the greatest medical system that ever existed because 47 million Americans are uninsured. Well actually most of them are Americans. Twenty percent of that number are undocumented workers. Some of the documented workers are also illegal aliens using fake IDs that are readily available to fence jumpers with the right connections. A lot of the others in that number are people who simply opt out of employer health insurance programs. But something has to be done about this crisis, Right? So now were going to scrap the system that provides the world with 80% of medical advances for one that will tread water at best. But this is about politics and not medicine. Democrats can sell class resentment and avoid the sticky issues of bankrupt Medicare and Medicaid by creating a new unsustainable federal Leviathan. With millions of baby-boomers set to retire in the upcoming decades and with Social Security also near bankruptcy, the new revenues from now justifiable millionaire surtaxes and cuts to the mandatory UHC, perhaps the Social Security ticking time bomb of new beneficiaries will be pushed back a few years. But what has not been discussed is the change we will all be forced to accept. Whether the government raises taxes or prints monopoly money, all classes will pay more for everything. We will work harder than ever for less than ever. The millionaire surtax will be passed onto the less affluent in the form of higher rates for professional services and increased retail prices. Think grocery stores don't have legal bills?
Cap and Trade will increase the cost of energy for everyone. Skyrocketing deficits will increase interest payments on our national debt. And again the price of everything will increase. Exports will tank as foreign buyers reject pricier than ever American products in favor of cheap Asian products. Those will be cheaper than ours because, unlike us, they will use the cheapest energy available. We will all experience the lowest standard of living since the great depression because these are the sort of policies that made a sever recession into a great Depression. Hoover increased tax rates in 1932 and overall US investment dropped like a rock the next year. Government intervention to replace the missing investment that was taxed out of the system was an unqualified disaster that kept unemployment rates at an average 18.3% throughout the era. In fact, it wasn't until the military draft was reinstated in 1940 that unemployment dropped below 14.3%.
But taxes are where it's at if you're a politician. So now we hide them in the form of corporate taxes, taxes on energy (soon to go through the roof) and a soon to expanded list of sin taxes. With the pound of flesh they demand of us all, they can buy more votes. FRD had to die in office to avoid reelection by scared and dependent constituents who surrendered their confidence and self-determination along with their tax dollars. They were afraid of how much worse it might be without the generous hand of government.
We're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic with the giant ice berg of mounting debt and increasing trade deficits dead ahead. Applying Band Aids to various economic bubbles is all that we are doing. Nothing is being earned in the world market place and nothing will be even possible when cap and trade goes into effect. India and China will compete with us for petroleum as their economies rebound. This will send the price of fuels in the US back into the stratosphere without missing a beat. CAFE standards will help, but at the cost of what is left of the US auto industry. See, the unions that liberals point to with such pride, like the UAW, provide their shrinking ranks with an excellent pay and benefits package, but make producing fuel efficient vehicles unprofitable.
No, there are no answers here. Tax and spend, like government intervention in the free market has never worked and it never will. The cure is always worse then the disease when the government gets involved because government is in the business of getting reelected. As we have seen many, many times failure is no barrier to reelection and robbing the next generation all but guarantees another term.
Impressive! Any REAL American feels as you do regarding the dire straights that the Liberals are trying to keep us in.
First of all, Hebrews is a book of the New Testament.
"Hope" as used by the Obama campaign is a version of "new and improved". This is the most effective marketing technique of all time because it incorporates the consumer's sense of entitlement (I deserve better/improved) into the pitch and makes use of their own innate ability to delude themselves (Bush broke it, a first term senator with a thin resume will fix it). The idea that something is new (change: not Bush/not McSame) and improved (hope: new ideas) is as old as the tax and spend policies that are not named and to which the pitch corresponds. During the campaign we heard, "you deserve better". Self-involved Americans agreed. No mention was made of where the money would come from and supporters didn't ask. "The top one percent have had it too easy under this administration". The supporters agreed. They agreed because they wanted to believe that BO could wave a magic wand and make the economic woes of the nation go away. They wanted to believe that one man was responsible for all that was wrong and replacing him with a first term senator with a thin resume would make everything OK again. But why? What were the new ideas? Was exporting abortion the missing piece of our economic policy? Did law makers spend too much time reading bills before voting on them? Well the stimulus is an unqualified failure. So why did we borrow $800,000,000,000? It hasn't created any jobs. We may have been able to change it if a vote were not demanded before anyone could read it. The justification at the time was that it was so urgently needed that it had to be passed immediately. But then BO took five days to sign it.
Then the budget was rammed through in similar fashion along with Cap and Trade. Now we are throwing away the greatest medical system that ever existed because 47 million Americans are uninsured. Well actually most of them are Americans. Twenty percent of that number are undocumented workers. Some of the documented workers are also illegal aliens using fake IDs that are readily available to fence jumpers with the right connections. A lot of the others in that number are people who simply opt out of employer health insurance programs. But something has to be done about this crisis, Right? So now were going to scrap the system that provides the world with 80% of medical advances for one that will tread water at best. But this is about politics and not medicine. Democrats can sell class resentment and avoid the sticky issues of bankrupt Medicare and Medicaid by creating a new unsustainable federal Leviathan. With millions of baby-boomers set to retire in the upcoming decades and with Social Security also near bankruptcy, the new revenues from now justifiable millionaire surtaxes and cuts to the mandatory UHC, perhaps the Social Security ticking time bomb of new beneficiaries will be pushed back a few years. But what has not been discussed is the change we will all be forced to accept. Whether the government raises taxes or prints monopoly money, all classes will pay more for everything. We will work harder than ever for less than ever. The millionaire surtax will be passed onto the less affluent in the form of higher rates for professional services and increased retail prices. Think grocery stores don't have legal bills?
Cap and Trade will increase the cost of energy for everyone. Skyrocketing deficits will increase interest payments on our national debt. And again the price of everything will increase. Exports will tank as foreign buyers reject pricier than ever American products in favor of cheap Asian products. Those will be cheaper than ours because, unlike us, they will use the cheapest energy available. We will all experience the lowest standard of living since the great depression because these are the sort of policies that made a sever recession into a great Depression. Hoover increased tax rates in 1932 and overall US investment dropped like a rock the next year. Government intervention to replace the missing investment that was taxed out of the system was an unqualified disaster that kept unemployment rates at an average 18.3% throughout the era. In fact, it wasn't until the military draft was reinstated in 1940 that unemployment dropped below 14.3%.
But taxes are where it's at if you're a politician. So now we hide them in the form of corporate taxes, taxes on energy (soon to go through the roof) and a soon to expanded list of sin taxes. With the pound of flesh they demand of us all, they can buy more votes. FRD had to die in office to avoid reelection by scared and dependent constituents who surrendered their confidence and self-determination along with their tax dollars. They were afraid of how much worse it might be without the generous hand of government.
We're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic with the giant ice berg of mounting debt and increasing trade deficits dead ahead. Applying Band Aids to various economic bubbles is all that we are doing. Nothing is being earned in the world market place and nothing will be even possible when cap and trade goes into effect. India and China will compete with us for petroleum as their economies rebound. This will send the price of fuels in the US back into the stratosphere without missing a beat. CAFE standards will help, but at the cost of what is left of the US auto industry. See, the unions that liberals point to with such pride, like the UAW, provide their shrinking ranks with an excellent pay and benefits package, but make producing fuel efficient vehicles unprofitable.
No, there are no answers here. Tax and spend, like government intervention in the free market has never worked and it never will. The cure is always worse then the disease when the government gets involved because government is in the business of getting reelected. As we have seen many, many times failure is no barrier to reelection and robbing the next generation all but guarantees another term.
that was well said!
what we have is a government that, instead of making the tough choices, is HOPING things will work out by buying more time with taxpayer dollars. this money has not yet been paid and, as a matter of fact, has not yet been earned by the taxpayers. this government is making a bad situation worse because they still haven't explained how we are going to pay back this money as well as the interest now accruing. instead, they are off trying to come up with the next spending program!!! shame on their lack of responsibility towards american workers!!!
i guess we are supposed to be comforted by knowing that the titans of wall street are doing rather well. i guess somebody had a plan after all.
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is this a joke? hillary clinton said it best. change you can xerox. obama is bush, and vice versa. his supporters are just too idiotic to realize that ALL politicians are the same.
is this a joke? hillary clinton said it best. change you can xerox. obama is bush, and vice versa. his supporters are just too idiotic to realize that ALL politicians are the same.
Its not that they are idiotic they just had Hope he was different.
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