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Old 07-21-2009, 02:31 PM
 
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Of course that is just one of those 'damn red states' so I doubt anyone cares.
Oh, puleeze. The F-22 project was purposefully contracted to companies in 44 damned states. The biggest loser in Connecticut and the last time I checked Connecticut wasn't very red.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Good. What gets me are the 40 Senators that voted to keep the funding. WTF? These F-22 planes were designed to fight the Soviet Union, yeah the same Soviet Union that collapsed 20 years ago. It is made for air to air combat and it can't strike anything of the ground. Did I miss something here? Did the Soviet Union become a superpower again? I think we all know the answer to that. I can only see 2 reasons why anyone would support spending almost $2 billion for these useless planes:

1) The Senator owes Lockheed Martin a favor for past campaign donations and they voted no in order to line executive's pockets with taxpayer money.

2) The deal would create jobs in their state.

#1 is a ridiculous reason to vote for an F-22, or anything for that matter, but is unfortunately very common in the dirty, filthy, corrupt world of American politics. As for #2, I hear those of you who are saying that we need jobs and these F-22 contracts will create jobs. However, if we are going to build something with taxpayer money in order to create jobs, why not build something that we NEED as opposed to something that is useless?

By the way, if you'd like to see how your Senator voted, here's the link.
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
Thanks for the link!
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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Obama wins again.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Supposedly the F-35 fighter will create over 80,000 jobs while the F-22 cessation will cost "only" 15,000 jobs.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Supposedly the F-35 fighter will create over 80,000 jobs while the F-22 cessation will cost "only" 15,000 jobs.
So we're making progress and saving money?
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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Considering the F-22 can barely fly in the rain and costs 44k dollars/hour to maintain I'm okay with this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...903020_pf.html

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The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.

The aircraft's radar-absorbing metallic skin is the principal cause of its maintenance troubles, with unexpected shortcomings -- such as vulnerability to rain and other abrasion -- challenging Air Force and contractor technicians since the mid-1990s, according to Pentagon officials, internal documents and a former engineer.
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Excellent news.

Kudos particularly to Senator McCain for standing his ground on this. I understand he did a victory lap around the Senate floor
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Awesome news for a junk project that employed a few people and demolished a budget, kind of like an Obama stimulus project.

How about actually saving the money for a change? Or would that be cheapskateish?
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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Hell no. The technology is too advanced on the F-22, which has warranted an export ban. However, there were plans to sell watered down versions to Japan..

Whether or not people support the F-22, this move will cost roughly 100K jobs in Georgia.. Of course that is just one of those 'damn red states' so I doubt anyone cares.
You need to change your supposed "moderate" title. That was extremely partisan. It is well known that the defense industry sprinkles its jobs around so that legislators all around see an economic interest in supporting it.
Also, are jobs really an excuse to make an F-22? Jobs can be created a million ways. But we are against waste and for efficient gov't, are we not?
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