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This plan does nothing to help the working poor or the unemployed get health care. It is a sham and a shell game only designed to help more well-connected profit from the suffering of others. The real solution would involve legal system reform, deregulation of medicine, standardization of medical records and a national database for medical information and protocols. Nothing will change here.
Freedom to own a self defense tool. Freedom to criticize the plan...that could lead the high BP. Freedom to take a Sunday drive...that could lead to a crash, globaloney warming, carbon littering the landscape.
Good Old Uncle Joe must be smiling from his tomb, this plan will do it all.
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Seems to me the 50 million Americans with no health insurance would be gaining a Big Fat Freedom...
Like most of this plan, that number is a lie.
Don't forget the 12-20 million illegal non-citizens. Pass this, our population will be 400 million in 20 years and we'll be well on our way to 3rd world status. Change, change YOU can believe in.
There is an argument that says that government has a duty to provide essential infrastructure for the country. The majority generally do not dispute government's responsibility to provide schools, to ensure roads get built or to provide for our national defense. And there is an argument that health is part of that essential infrastructure.
If you accept that argument then government has done a pretty terrible job with regard to health. Millions without insurance, health costs spiraling out of control, insurance companies taking the life or death decisions and not doctors, prescription medication which is effectively unaffordable. Now you can fix all that and still have a private system that works. The Swiss do it and they do it well. But that takes effective and impartial government regulation. The problem with the Obama plan is it is long on tax increases to fund the extension of insurance but short on regulation to make sure that the system will work properly. So, for a great many Americans, there will be little benefit as they are already insured but there will be the promise of a continuing rise in the cost of health plus an increased tax burden which will gradually work its way down to the middle classes.
If you are going to change the system then do the job properly and not in a half-assed way.
there is a question of fairness as well:
On page 881-882 the bill states:
"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."
and then there is funding:Requirement to Be Public or Non-profit-
(1) IN GENERAL- No institution may be a participating provider unless it is a public or not-for-profit institution.
(2) CONVERSION OF INVESTOR-OWNED PROVIDERS- Investor-owned providers of care opting to participate shall be required to convert to not-for-profit status.
(3) COMPENSATION FOR CONVERSION- The owners of such investor-owned providers shall be compensated for the actual appraised value of converted facilities used in the delivery of care.
(4) FUNDING- There are authorized to be appropriate from the treasury such sums as are necessary to compensate investor-owned providers as provided for under paragraph (3)
convert or else! who determines how much they are compensated? no chance of corruption there i bet....
I like blue cheese. No matter how much I post about it, I can't make other people like it, though.
People are weird like that.
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Blue cheese? C'mon now...nobody really eats that stuff!
lol blue cheese is actually pretty good on steak. I sure hope Obama stops spending all this money and starts dealing with the debt that is growing never ending. Welcome to the United States of China?
and then there is funding:Requirement to Be Public or Non-profit-
(1) IN GENERAL- No institution may be a participating provider unless it is a public or not-for-profit institution.
(2) CONVERSION OF INVESTOR-OWNED PROVIDERS- Investor-owned providers of care opting to participate shall be required to convert to not-for-profit status.
(3) COMPENSATION FOR CONVERSION- The owners of such investor-owned providers shall be compensated for the actual appraised value of converted facilities used in the delivery of care.
(4) FUNDING- There are authorized to be appropriate from the treasury such sums as are necessary to compensate investor-owned providers as provided for under paragraph (3)
convert or else! who determines how much they are compensated? no chance of corruption there i bet....
The appraised value will be essentially zero since without converting, they cannot operate.
The high dedcutible idea is a good one. One of the things that is killing our medical services is oversue. Parents go running to the doctor every time that their kids sneeze. Let them pay for the incessant and unnecessary visits for a while and they will go in only when something is really wrong, which is how it should be.
This bill is scaary. It was nto well thought out. It contains incredible openings for fraud and for pork spending and no one voting on it has any idea waht is in it.
My understanding that the number of people who want insurance but cannto get it is somewhere around ten million. My understaing is that under this plan, there will still be multiple millions who are not covered, but the numbers are unknown because no one has had time to figure it out.
The concept that the country is broke and our economy is crashing so we should then spend trillions of dollars changing our medical system to a system that will not provide any real benefit at all and may be a complete disaster is hard to understand. Where did they get the concept that this is a good idea at this time?
Our medical system is defineitly a mess, but shifint control of it to government is not something that will make it better. Is this the best idea that they can come up with? I cannot think of anythign that the Government does better than private companies can do it. I certainly do nto want to see medical decisions being made on political bases.
1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan
2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs
3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage
4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
5. Freedom to choose your doctors
Most insured don't get that at all:
1. You get the plan your employer picks, or nothing.
2. Never seen a plan that offered healthy living discounts. At most they offer a health club discount (if you join the one they want).
3. Only if your employer lets you or provides a choice of plans (Ha).
4. Not if you change jobs or your employer changes providers.
5. Not if they don't accept your insurance. (And I haven't come across a country with even full on socialized medicine that doesn't let you choose doctors).
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