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Where do you think this "fixing" will come from? The obscenely profitable insurance companies? I really don't think the "gubmint" as you call it, could be any less fair.
That's the beauty of UHC. You don't have to pick and choose and second guess your future health needs. If you get ill you are covered -without the extra stress of wondering if you checked the right boxes when you signed up.
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You see, Gary, they've never been in situations where that's happened to them, so they don't believe it's possible, or they're willing to take the risk. Unfortunately for many of us and our families, it has happened, and we realize the risk is not worthwhile. The current system is unbelievably flawed. Some people just choose not to acknowledge it, because everything looks green on their side of the fence, and they don't want to be inconvenienced for the sake of their fellow citizens' health and well-being.
So true! I would have never guessed my 14 yr old would get melanoma. I mean, there have only been a few cases in 25 years at Children's Hospital in Denver. Ain't going to happen to me - WRONG!
You said:
"I'd love to "lose" these freedoms if it meant I could have some health care coverage."
In other words you are OK with everyone losing freedoms if it meant that you would have more.
If that's what you mean, I stand by what I said, if not, maybe you should choose a better way to say it.
I'm sorry for your situation and I've said in many other threads that our insurance system needs fixing just not a gubmint takeover scheme.
I understood exactly what Sayulita means: That she has a pre-existing condition, so she (like millions of other Americans with pre-existing conditions) is unable obtain any health insurance whatsoever. She would happily give up some of the 'healthcare freedoms' people such as yourself are complaining about 'losing,' except that she cannot 'lose' said freedoms, due to the fact that she doesn't have them in the first place because she cannot obtain any form of health coverage under the current, broken system. If I understand correctly, it's not that she necessaily wants others to 'lose' freedoms so that she can have more...it's that she would like a system to be put into place where she, and others like her, will be afforded the same medical coverage-related freedoms that people such as yourself are so lucky to have.
1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan
My employer can do this, but I can not
2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs Not in my plan. My employer can get a better rate. If everyone at my work lives healthy, I guess they can pass it along.
3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage
I have two choices. Take the plan, or decline it. 4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
Again, when my employer decides to change plans, I don't have this choice. I've had to give up my doctor when the plan changed, and my special needs daughter's primary care physician dropped out of the (major) plan we are on because the HMO was making it too hard for him to collect, and therefore not worth being a member, even though they are either the biggest, or second biggest provider in our state.
5. Freedom to choose your doctors. Nope, wrong again. If they are in the plan, i can choose them. But even there, the only doctors accepting new patients are the ones with crap-ola degrees. I tried to switch away from my lame excuse for a doctor, and the best I could do was get someone who graduated from an undisclosed school. I live right between UNC and DUKE, two of the best medical schools in the world, and I can't find a qualified doctor who is accepting new patients under our MAJOR plan.
And that's just the beginning to this gubmint takeover scheme.
I'm insureed through my work, and I don't currently have any of these freedoms.
It's ashame that Cuba, that little poor communist country just to the south of Florida, can provide EXCELLENT FREE healthcare to all it's citizens and we can't. How little Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S. Also, how Cubans live longer than Americans. Things that make you go "Hmmmm".
1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan
thats absurd, countries like australia and the UK allow for anyone to go out in the marketplace and purchase private health insurance/coverage 2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs
the reward is good health.. but my healthy living costs me the same in premiums as all the smokers and fat people at work now.. 3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverageagain, just because uhc is implemented, doesn't mean private options cannot exist as well 4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
demand for private existing plans in the marketplace should allow for those who think its great to keep forking out the dough for it and keep what they got.
5. Freedom to choose your doctors
False, family practice doctors exist in uhc in the same manner our current system is.. In fact.. I myself am restricted by my current coverage, I can only go to whichever clinics or doctors take my BRAND of insurance...
And that's just the beginning to this gubmint takeover scheme.
I'm waiting for more of the lies...
reality is.. there's lots of money to be lost in this corrupt healthcare insurance system if it is to be reformed, and where there's big money, there's lots of hands in the pot, persuading, lying, manipulating facts to keep their good thing going, while the health and welfare of the greatest nation on earth deteriorates to that of 2nd world status.
I am sooo shocked that people are buying this crap... the scare machine works like a charm in america.. scare scare scare.. and everyone falls in line with whatever the agenda is...
It's disheartening to say the least.. people are scared sh*tless into going against their own best interests so a cartel of healthcare can keep its good thing going...
we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves...
Guess we should keep voting for Republicans so that by the year 2020, the average American will probably be spending 50% of his income on health insurance. The free market will save all of us!
It's ashame that Cuba, that little poor communist country just to the south of Florida, can provide EXCELLENT FREE healthcare to all it's citizens and we can't.
Someone's been watching Michael Moore films and believing that they're something other than comedies...
Guess we should keep voting for Republicans so that by the year 2020, the average American will probably be spending 50% of his income on health insurance.
Uh, what do you think that a government run scheme will do? Newsflash: They gotta get the money to pay for it from somewhere, and the government is notorious for their inability to run anything efficiently. It'll cost 3-5x what it should just to do the paperwork.
With the government plan, you're still spending 50% - the difference is that you'll be getting crappy care for your money.
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What I don't get is why it has to be "all or nothing." Those in favor of government mandated/controlled/provided/whatever health care are so completely, blindingly and unrelentingly convinced that it's the solution to ALL of our problems, they refuse to consider any form of compromise.
There are SO many things that could be done to lower the cost of health care - none of which require putting the government in charge of it in any way. The absolute LAST thing we, as Americans, should want is the Federal government getting involved in our lives at such a personal level! Don't you all understand what the role of the Federal government is supposed to be?
If the states (e.g. Massachusetts) want to run their own little socialist experiment, that's fine. The states should be the ones to engage in those programs. It's not the job of the Federal government - never has been.
What I don't get is why it has to be "all or nothing." Those in favor of government mandated/controlled/provided/whatever health care are so completely, blindingly and unrelentingly convinced that it's the solution to ALL of our problems, they refuse to consider any form of compromise.
I'm all for a compromise, but the Republicans did almost nothing to make health care more accessible or affordable, and now they're whining that they're being left out. Well, yes, Americans decided that they weren't up to the job, and so they've been sent to the sidelines for awhile - just as Democrats were sidelined for years after they were seen as being inept.
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