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Old 08-07-2009, 03:23 AM
 
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It is no exaggeration that if we do not reform health care in this country it will be very soon that only the rich and elite will be able to get health care AT ALL!

All the these rich Senators and Congressmen are puffing themselves up because they don't care about the people in their districts- they only care about all the money and perks in insurance companies are throwing their way to protect their profits. THEIR PROFITS ARE FROM ALL THE CLAIMS THEY REJECT AND THE POLICIES THEY CANCEL.

IF Health Care reform does not happen now then it never will and all you young people our there better look out! Not only will you not be able to pay for your health insurance but it won't help you when you need it.

THIS REALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DOMESTIC ISSUE OF OUR TIME

Given the bills under consideration doing nothing would be preferable.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:11 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Given the bills under consideration doing nothing would be preferable.
If doing nothing was in any way an Option, Obama would not be going through the sh*t that he is having to go through to get good affordable health care for America.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:45 AM
 
Location: NorthTexas
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"Given the bills under consideration doing nothing would be preferable"

What exactly do you object too? Lower premiums, not being "un-insurable" because of preexisting conditions? Insurance Carriers being accountable for the claims they deny? A system that makes the large carriers compete with each other and a public option? Low income people being able to go see a doctor for regular checkups instead of landing in the emergency room?

Consider this, the cost the the health programs and hospitals in the country to try and deal with people who cannot get health insurance is one of the reasons why many people pay so much in health insurance premiums, in other words insured people are subsidizing uninsured people right now.

That is crazy! Why not have a system that anyone can buy into so they are insured? Better yet, ask yourself how come I cannot get health insurance as good as my congressman or senator?

The answer is simple. The insurance carriers cut them a deal so they will keep the status quo. The carriers are making a fortune by denying millions of people their claims when they get sick or injured.

Why on earth would anybody defend this business practice unless they were benefiting from it? THINK ABOUT IT.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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"Given the bills under consideration doing nothing would be preferable"

What exactly do you object too? Lower premiums, not being "un-insurable" because of preexisting conditions? Insurance Carriers being accountable for the claims they deny? A system that makes the large carriers compete with each other and a public option? Low income people being able to go see a doctor for regular checkups instead of landing in the emergency room?

Consider this, the cost the the health programs and hospitals in the country to try and deal with people who cannot get health insurance is one of the reasons why many people pay so much in health insurance premiums, in other words insured people are subsidizing uninsured people right now.

That is crazy! Why not have a system that anyone can buy into so they are insured? Better yet, ask yourself how come I cannot get health insurance as good as my congressman or senator?

The answer is simple. The insurance carriers cut them a deal so they will keep the status quo. The carriers are making a fortune by denying millions of people their claims when they get sick or injured.

Why on earth would anybody defend this business practice unless they were benefiting from it? THINK ABOUT IT.
The point is: the legislation now on the table does nothing to lower the cost of the delivery of healthcare, including such areas as pharmaceuticals.

This bill is lame! It is not really healthcare reform at all - it is a bunch of insurance mandates.

What we need is meaningful change - REFORM - not bandaids and patches on the same old system.

The vast majority of folks still think we are getting Universal Healthcare, and this legislation has nothing to do with universal healthcare! It does nothing to provide a system of healthcare that covers everyone and provides healthcare services at low cost (unless you qualify for Medicaid - and I mean Medicaid - not Medicare) In re: to Medicare, benefits are being CUT, whether Obama admits it or not.

Read the legislation for yourself and you will see this is true.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:00 AM
 
Location: England
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It is not a sign of weakness to have compassion for the working poor or the disenfranchised.
Healthcare should be available to everyone regardless of their financial situation.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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Originally Posted by EllenArlingtonPark View Post
It is no exaggeration that if we do not reform health care in this country it will be very soon that only the rich and elite will be able to get health care AT ALL!

All the these rich Senators and Congressmen are puffing themselves up because they don't care about the people in their districts- they only care about all the money and perks in insurance companies are throwing their way to protect their profits. THEIR PROFITS ARE FROM ALL THE CLAIMS THEY REJECT AND THE POLICIES THEY CANCEL.

IF Health Care reform does not happen now then it never will and all you young people our there better look out! Not only will you not be able to pay for your health insurance but it won't help you when you need it.

THIS REALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DOMESTIC ISSUE OF OUR TIME


False. Hospitals cannot refuse treatment to people in the emergency room.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:23 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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False. Hospitals cannot refuse treatment to people in the emergency room.
No....the Hospital can however refuse any treatment past immediate emergency treatment and the cost of this is paid for by the tax payer, whether it be for a American Citizen or illegal immigrant or even illegal immigrant drug runner.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:25 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Originally Posted by EllenArlingtonPark View Post
"Given the bills under consideration doing nothing would be preferable"

What exactly do you object too? Lower premiums, not being "un-insurable" because of preexisting conditions? Insurance Carriers being accountable for the claims they deny? A system that makes the large carriers compete with each other and a public option? Low income people being able to go see a doctor for regular checkups instead of landing in the emergency room?

Consider this, the cost the the health programs and hospitals in the country to try and deal with people who cannot get health insurance is one of the reasons why many people pay so much in health insurance premiums, in other words insured people are subsidizing uninsured people right now.

That is crazy! Why not have a system that anyone can buy into so they are insured? Better yet, ask yourself how come I cannot get health insurance as good as my congressman or senator?

The answer is simple. The insurance carriers cut them a deal so they will keep the status quo. The carriers are making a fortune by denying millions of people their claims when they get sick or injured.

Why on earth would anybody defend this business practice unless they were benefiting from it? THINK ABOUT IT.
Great Post.
I'm afraid though that Logic is not going to convince the people who have health cover and are afraid out of their minds that they will lose some kind of "Elitism" by having health care, if everyone can get it.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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If doing nothing was in any way an Option, Obama would not be going through the sh*t that he is having to go through to get good affordable health care for America.
If Obama's motivations were pragmatic I might agree but they're philosophical. He believes in growing government and that to solve any problem government should be the first option considered. In fact he and the Left believe this so much they push the fanciful notion there is a health care 'crisis' in this country when there is none. The problem we're faced with is insuring about 12 million uninsured people and containing price escalation. That's hardly a crisis.

The government should be the last resort and only brought in to the fray when the free market(s) cannot or will not address a problem.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: NorthTexas
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Default oh yes they can and do all the time

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False. Hospitals cannot refuse treatment to people in the emergency room.
In most cites there are designated hospitals for people with no insurance. They can check you out and send you home if your life is no in immediate danger.

Texas is one of the worst I know. Perhaps where you are it is not so.

Chronic illnesses like Hep C, COPD and many others many people cannot get the treatment they need because there is no mechanism for them. In Texas if you are one of these people you will wait a very long time to see a doctor outside of the ER. Medicaid has huge gaps in it, in Texas anyway. If you are over 40 and under 60. My best friend found out he had Hep C through a routine blood test, waited 19 months to see an internal medicine doctor, turned out to be Hep C with kidney infection. As you may know this disease requires very long term care and intense treatment. He is hoping to get into a drug trial, but it will cost him losts of money. He said they estimated 10-15K to get started. While in treatment he will only be able to work half time, so he is now worried about loosing his job.

Oh by the way insurance carrier said "sorry preexisting-not covered. He has been paying his premiums to them for 9 years, he is appealing.....good luck!
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