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Old 08-02-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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I wonder what you mean exactly when you say absorb? Do you mean to assimilate? Why on earth would anyone want to do that? I think the assimilation of the European immigrants into one "American" culture a shame and a sad and unfortunate side effect of mas immigration at that time.

Since we Hispanics are so close to Whites, according to you, how about you "absorb" into our culture/race?
This statement illustrates the negative attitude and lack of pride of many new emigres. It is the "European" influence that draws people of "color" to this great nation. Then once they are here, out of jealousy, they show disdain for our American culture. If you are so dissatisfied with the American culture, then why are you here? Just to abuse and exploit it, like many of the other newcomers?
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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This statement illustrates the negative attitude and lack of pride of many new emigres. It is the "European" influence that draws people of "color" to this great nation. Then once they are here, out of jealousy, they show disdain for our American culture. If you are so dissatisfied with the American culture, then why are you here? Just to abuse and exploit it, like many of the other newcomers?
People of color were brought here by Europeans.........or didn't you know that?????
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:10 PM
 
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justfar1030, Thank you for teaching us. Thereis so little understanding in this country about race and so much ignorance on all of our parts. Blacks or African Americans are mixed with so many other races. One thing I will give Hispanics (What is Hispanic?) or better Latinos, they have managed to come togrther from different countries all over the world and claim their roots. Why is it that Africans, Carribeans, and Black Latino's do not except their African roots . Herein NY we have knowledge that many do not want to be called African American although they take advantage of everything we fought for?

Some African Diaspora people (non African American) do have pride in their African roots, and some do acknowledge the fight and the sacrifices African Americans have made.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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People of color were brought here by Europeans.........or didn't you know that?????
To be fair, only blacks were brought here by Europeans. The rest have come on their own free will. Many, like Haitians and Caribbeans, make the "jump" to the US also on their own free will.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:11 PM
 
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There is no pre-existing mixed category. Most mixed people are either considered "black" or "Latino..."
This is the 2000 census form, which apparently got very technical with the "Hispanic/Spanish" labels:

http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d61a.pdf

There is no "mixed" category, and only three races to choose from. You can, however, pick more than one race. Those who are mestizo (most Mexicans) can pick white and Indian. Those who are mulatto (most Dominicans) can pick black and white. Those who are just white can pick white.

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The Hawaii/Portuguese issue comes from its plantation culture, where Portuguese were brought in as overseers and formed their own class (above Asians but below haoles, or whites).
Does not compute. Portuguese are whites. Maybe "Anglos" are above the "Iberians" in the Hawaiian system? Funny since the Portuguese were at the top of their own plantation system in Africa and Brazil.

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According to Cape Verde's own stats, the country is 30% African and 70% mixed African/Portuguese.
So an insignificant amount of whites remain in Cape Verde due to mixing. (CIA world factbook assigns the population mixture as 71% mulatto, 28% African, and 1% European).

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Old 08-02-2009, 07:20 PM
 
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i dont understand the census. why cant the white hispanics just be counted in the general white or caucasian pop census,thereby giving them no special designation?i mean they seem to just be a group of spanish seaking white people with a tan from south, central america. anyway hispanics seem to me that they can be absorbed by the general white pop anyway say within 2 generations anyway. i believe blacks are going to be the number 1 minority again because hipanics are just another goup of white people. also the black ones can be called black, same goes for them.well, maybe they can be absorbed like the other whites{italians, russians if they learn english and adapt,maybe thats the problem, they dodnt want to let go like previous white groups did? one more thing, how did the mexican and white supremists unite in california jails if they didnt believe them to be white?
You really have no clue when it comes to the racial makeup of what we refer to a Mexicans, do ya. Do a little research before making statements based on zero facts, you will look a little less foolish for making some effort. As for myself, no matter where one comes from, if you are an American citizen you are an American. As the saying goes; we may have come here in different boats, but we are all in the same boat now.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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To be fair, only blacks were brought here by Europeans. The rest have come on their own free will. Many, like Haitians and Caribbeans, make the "jump" to the US also on their own free will.
Haitians and Caribbeans (Haitians ARE Caribbeans) are descended from black Africans who were brought to the islands by Europeans.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:25 PM
 
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This is the 2000 census form, which apparently got very technical with the "Hispanic/Spanish" labels:

http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d61a.pdf

There is no "mixed" category, and only three races to choose from. You can, however, pick more than one race. Those who are mestizo (most Mexicans) can pick white and Indian. Those who are mulatto (most Dominicans) can pick black and white. Those who are just white can pick white.
Yes, many Mexicans and other Latinos picked Indian, or white and Indian. Most people who are mixed black and white (i.e., most African Americans) picked black only. Most other Latinos picked black and white, or Indian and white.



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Does not compute. Portuguese are whites. Maybe "Anglos" are above the "Iberians" in the Hawaiian system?
Yes, Portuguese are white Europeans (or white/mixed Europeans). In Hawaii, they have had their own category; yes, I think Anglos' cultural biases had a lot to do with it. Just as Portuguese are considered part of the "local" culture, but whites are not.

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Funny since the Portuguese were at the top of their own plantation system in Africa and Brazil.
Yup. Portuguese could be as white as they wished in Africa and Brazil. In Africa the Cape Verdeans were the buffer/overseer group, which caused them to be hated across the continent.



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So an insignificant amount of whites remain in Cape Verde due to mixing. (CIA world factbook assigns the population mixture as 71% mulatto, 28% African, and 1% European).
Yes, the Europeans are primarily descended from colonial elites as well as some Catholic clergy........
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:36 PM
 
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Some of it has to do with the 'typical look' of the European ancestry. Spaniards are typically brown haired and brown eyed, they may even have olive skin (throwback to Moors), while Anglo Europeans are more fair skinned and light hair and eyes. The intermingling of a Spanish European and Native American will be darker than the intermingling of an Anglo European and a Native American. But make no mistake, most 'Americans' are a mix of European and Native American, just like Mexicans (and Canadians, and South Americans....) I think having Native American ancestry is a good thing.
Just a thought!
Well it certainly isn't a bad thing. I'd be interested in seeing ant statistics of how many white, non-hispanic Americans have Native American blood in them. You do have a good point about Spaniards being a little darker than anglo Europeans.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:35 AM
 
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AAAAAND herein this post lies the answer to the question. Good post, man. No need to really continue the thread after this.
This si what I am trying to convey. That they are white, spanish speaking people who can check hispanic to get special privilages while an egyptian has to check white(there is no arab category) and therefore no privileges. So an egyptian who looks black and very dark doesn't get special college fund while a blue eyed blond haired hispanic would
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