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Old 08-04-2009, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Interested in how you got that figure (or how your source got that figure) seeing as how we are number 1 in the world when it comes to cancer survival rates.
That statistic comes from the WHO, and they very heavily weight "access" (socialist speak for "universal") when coming up with their numbers. The rating system was very clearly designed to push the US to the bottom of the list.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Insurance companies will sell stripped down policies that pay out even less than they do now if they are deregulated.
How about removing just one regulation, and allow them to sell policies across state lines?
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Who said deregulation? The open market will let the competition control the greediness. You don't like your insurance then you can go to another company and they know it. Obamacare will get us stuck with whatever they throw at us.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:34 PM
 
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How about removing just one regulation, and allow them to sell policies across state lines?
I agree with that one but that would be what competition would do.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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Who said deregulation? The open market will let the competition control the greediness. You don't like your insurance then you can go to another company and they know it. Obamacare will get us stuck with whatever they throw at us.
Unless you have a pre-existing condition. I would be VERY surprised if I could ever find insurance on my own with MY pre-existing condition.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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How about removing just one regulation, and allow them to sell policies across state lines?
So a company operating in a state with few mandates (translation, required coverage) can sell policies in a state with more mandates. What happens when you go to use the policy? Surprise! This is not covered, that is not covered, the other is not covered, etc.

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Who said deregulation? The open market will let the competition control the greediness. You don't like your insurance then you can go to another company and they know it. Obamacare will get us stuck with whatever they throw at us.
Yes, and I have some beach front property in Colorado to sell you, plus some mountain view property in Illinois. Most people will still be stuck with whatever their employer offers. That is an idealistic view if I ever heard it. I thought you conservatives were more realistic.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That statistic comes from the WHO, and they very heavily weight "access" (socialist speak for "universal") when coming up with their numbers. The rating system was very clearly designed to push the US to the bottom of the list.
Actually, I don't know if they "weight" anything, but we are far down on the list for infant mortality, even if the mortality stats are disaggregated for race. Life expectancy is also higher in most countries.

See Time magazine's last week's edition for a good article about prematurity/infant mortality.
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Actually, I don't know if they "weight" anything, but we are far down on the list for infant mortality, even if the mortality stats are disaggregated for race. Life expectancy is also higher in most countries.

See Time magazine's last week's edition for a good article about prematurity/infant mortality.
I was addressing the WHO statistic that rates us around 20th in the world for health care. Who said anything about infant mortality?

BTW, our infant mortality rate is as high as it is because we bring more of our pregnancies to term, because our prenatal care is the best in the world. As medical technology progresses (thanks to the profit driven medical industry), more of those babies will be able to be saved.

There's two sides to every coin. Stop looking at only one of them, and you just might realize that socialized medicine has more drawbacks than advantages.
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I was addressing the WHO statistic that rates us around 20th in the world for health care. Who said anything about infant mortality?

BTW, our infant mortality rate is as high as it is because we bring more of our pregnancies to term, because our prenatal care is the best in the world. As medical technology progresses (thanks to the profit driven medical industry), more of those babies will be able to be saved.

There's two sides to every coin. Stop looking at only one of them, and you just might realize that socialized medicine has more drawbacks than advantages.
Infant mortality is a part of health care statistics. I disagree with your rationale for why our infant mortality rate is higher. I would suggest you read the Time magazine article about prematurity from last week. I am a health care provider, and I am appalled at the term "profit driven medical industry". First of all, it's not an "industry", secondly, most hospitals are non-profit and yes, even government. Virtually all the research hospitals fall into those two categories. About the only for profit piece of health care provision is private medical practice (excluding big pharma, that is), and that's not as "driven" as you might think.
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:25 PM
 
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Tonight on TV: While everyone else debates what's in the healthcare bill -- Glenn looks into who designed it and why AARP is behind this plan? Plus a very special birthday presentation to President Obama! Tonight at 5 pm on the Fox News Channel or whatever time Beck is shown in your area.
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