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Thank you, wheelsup for responding to Galounger's comments. Apparently he never took a course in economics — or if he did he must have been sleeping the day that his professor lectured on dumping.
The leftists seem to think that money grows on trees, and that the biggest orchards are owned by conservatives. Beyond that, they have this misconception about freedom that reminds me quite vividly of the 1984 film version of Orwell's 1984. The fact that Comrade Obama wants people to snitch on their neighbors just proves that the next step will be the storm trooper brigades of Amerikorps will be rounding up those who dissent or who have not kissed Barry's ring. No wonder most people find liberals so disgusting.
I have no idea where you're leading to with the reference to dumping. If you're talking about the act of selling goods in foreign competitiors homelands cheaper than they sell in your own or predatory pricing. Then China and Japan have been guilty of that in a round about way. By buying up huge amounts of U.S. dollars they have kept the value of the U.S. dollar artifically high against the value of the Chinese dollar and Yen allowing them to export goods to America at a cheaper cost.
I don't propose U.S. business using such tactics but simply being more competitive through better quality goods and higher productivity. I also proposed the government, banks, and other institutes joining in and helping achieve this through the creation of a government ministry such as MITI in Japan. What's so liberal and crazy about this?
And far as money growing on trees. I'm not talking about the U.S. spending money for frivolous pursuits I'm talking about them trying to help U.S. industry take control of it's and our future by making themselves more competitive not just pricing wise but productivity and quality wise.
Know I don't see what you mean. Look at U.S. government spending in the 60's compared to total GNP at that time then look at it today in comparisons to todays GNP. I'm not saying over spending is a good thing. I'm just saying conservatives need to be more creative and less stuck in a rut when it comes to economic solutions than simply just fiddling around with cost accounting.
Well Shelby is well known to be against anything the Democratic administration comes up with so this is no surprise. There are a few cars on the top ten list made in the US, the Ford Focus is number one on the list, the Ford Focus, the Dodge Caliber and the Chevrolet Cobalt are from our US manufacturers, the Toyota Camry is on the list, most likely made in the US. I believe the Prius and Honda Fit are the only autos for sure made outside North America. For sure all the auto are sold and serviced by US companies.
The program serves several purposes:
A, To assist stabilizing US jobs in the auto industry, assembly, parts manufacturing, the dealerships both sales and service.
B, To assist in reducing dependence on foreign oil by requiring certain gas mileage bench marks to qualify.
C, To improve emissions by taking the older technology off the road.
Unlike the foreclosure prevention legislation, this seems to be actually working. I would rather give 3 billion to this program than 700 billion to the greedy banks.
Just as a note, Shelby follows the direction of his campaign contributions, not the folks of Alabama.
Shelby the Senator from Alabama is protecting the foreign car industry in his state. The fact that Ford Focus is number one on the list and is not manufactured in Alabama probably p*sses him off!
"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic"
Ben Franklin
The whole program is stupid we (the taxpayers) are paying for the same car twice if it a GM or Chrysler product is bought. Through the cash for clunkers scam and the auto bailout.
When are we getting cash for iphones, mine is cracked and I want a new one.
I can't believe people are falling for this cash for clunkers crap. Between the dealers not coming down on the price as much whatever is left from the savings will be gone in the value of the car as soon as you drive it off the lot.
The only answer you conservatives seem to have is to shout "less government, less government, less government" So less say we keep cutting back government until it's gone. Then we would be back to where man was about 4000 B.C. How was that working out? Why is conservatism becoming synonymous with anarchy nowadays? I don't get it.
The only thing the man is trying to accomplish is hopefully get more people back in the dealerships buying cars. American automakers have made many changes and are hoping they will be buying American. If so that will get billions of dollars pumped into the economy by not only helping U.S. automakers and their employees and dealerships but would help the suppliers (Goodyear, AC Delco, U.S. Steel, Champion, and hundreds and hundreds of others, the truckers and rail road that transport material and finished cars, the banks that finance capital and other expenditures the insurance companies that insure these employees, the machine manufactures that retool the plants, etc. etc. etc. all stand to benefit. Not to mention State and local governments, the retailers, restaraunts, realators, etc that these newly employed will spend money at.
All in all this would be the kind of kick in the butt that would get this economy really going again. And even if Americans decide to buy foreign it still would benefit also. Look at all the foreign car makers located in Alabama alone not to mention the rest of the nation. Two of the biggest auto plants in the world one Honda's, one Toyota's belong to foreign makers and located in the U.S.
All the arguments made against the plan are based on negative assumptions. But that is all the new conservatism seems to be based on more and more negative idealism.
here are the top 10 cash for clunker buys:
The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers New Cars:
1. Ford Focus
2. Honda Civic
3. Toyota Corolla
4. Toyota Prius
5. Ford Escape
6. Toyota Camry
7. Dodge Caliber
8. Hyundai Elantra
9. Honda Fit
10. Chevy Cobalt
if we are trying to jump start general motors, which the taxpayers got stuck holding, we are off to a slow start.
it is also interesting to note that obama objected to a buy american provision in the bill and it was taken out. he also did that with the 15,000 housing credit bill. (he objected to the part that american products only be used in building, so it was taken out). there are the 2 wars that he is appropriating extra funding for, and there is the money he gave the IMF. he is pushing for cap and trade, which will give a definite edge to the so-called developing countries.
he has been a big help to other countries, less so to america.
Shelby the Senator from Alabama is protecting the foreign car industry in his state. The fact that Ford Focus is number one on the list and is not manufactured in Alabama probably p*sses him off!
the focus was knocked down to number two some days ago.
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The Toyota Corolla has overtaken the Ford Focus as the top new vehicle purchased through the "cash for clunkers" program, the Department of Transportation said Wednesday.
Hmmm... I dont want to be insulting, but, your post raises the question of how old are you or how politically astute you are. Never the less let me try to help .Shelby is a conservative republican, the so called cash for clunckers is a Major Liberal program, so yes, conservatives would and should be against it and yes, they are probably voting republican. (The Liberals definition of Success.......Federal government giving individuals money so they can buy a new car from car manufactures that the federal government has given money to, so they can sell cars to people who have gotten money from the federal government)
Know I don't see what you mean. Look at U.S. government spending in the 60's compared to total GNP at that time then look at it today in comparisons to todays GNP. I'm not saying over spending is a good thing. I'm just saying conservatives need to be more creative and less stuck in a rut when it comes to economic solutions than simply just fiddling around with cost accounting.
Look at Japanese spending and where it has put them. Basically, between a rock and a hard place.
This is where America is headed. The US can't spend their way out of a recession by financing debt for things like cars, cheap credit, and health care.
If we were financing factories to build products that the world bought that would be one thing (example, the industrial revolution). But we're taking on more debt to get consumers to start spending on credit...this is not a recipe for success. Unless your definition of success is inflation and a weakening superpower.
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I dont want to be insulting, but, your post raises the question of how old are you or how politically astute you are. Never the less let me try to help .Shelby is a conservative republican, the so called cash for clunckers is a Major Liberal program, so yes, conservatives would and should be against it and yes, they are probably voting republican. 
(The Liberals definition of Success.......Federal government giving individuals money so they can buy a new car from car manufactures that the federal government has given money to, so they can sell cars to people who have gotten money from the federal government)
