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Nav, as a strong constitutionalists i find it funny you conveniently leave the "Patriot Act" out of your initial terrorism equation. I would think anything that violates the liberties and civil freedoms this country was founded upon so severely as the "Patriot Act" would be your starting point wouldn't you?
This is logical and i can strongly agree with you sentiment as it makes sense here. This statement is certainly true. Anytime the concentration of powers left unchecked and in the hands of few it can have devastating effects on those outside of this scope of power.
However, this statement above from you is not logical and screams of insanity. In six months the country has not changed. We had a deficit of a little more than 1.2 Trillion we are moving very close to a deficit of 2 trillion. Well, i'll agree any movement, which rapidly increases the deficit is alarming and will have dire consequences for those individuals who are much younger. The fact remains this country is in no way shape or form spiraling out of control.
What push is there to displace capitalism?? We have never operated under any sort of real unregulated form of capitalism. Do you not realize this? We've had socialism for the past 70 years. Hello ever heard of "Social Security?" It is a government sponsored annuity plan, that gives money out to old people on the backs of younger tax payers. Not to mention medicare, welfare, tariffs, embargoes, farming subsidies, and a host of other government interventionist efforts, that clearly distort any form of capitalism. We have never had a Lessie fare sort of system ever! The closest we've come to having a no regulation system was in the late 1890-early 1900's, even then government was involved in protectionist efforts to distort the supposed natural flow of real capitalism. In conclusion this statement is inherently false and you have no justification to back up your claims based on historical evidence. Nav, face the facts we've never operated under a true capitalist system ever!
You know what else Nav news flash we'll never have a true capitalism system here in the US, because of various lobbying groups, who lobby our congressmen for special favors, that's not capitalism it's bribery and spits in the face of true capitalism, so your argument is garbage .
Nav, logical well thought out no argument from me on this one.
Nav, this is not logical and is complete bs. This administration has not made any significant changes when compared to previous administrations. To pose the question differently did Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Regan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr pay down the deficit or increase? Did government decrease or expand under each of their presidencies? I have pretty conclusive data, that states each President before and after Regan increased the national deficit as well as expanded the level of government. Do you disagree?
According to all my history lessons each has done a great job burdening future tax payers (for tax cuts, war spending, poor foreign policy, excessive printing of money, and the list goes on) isn't that the fun of it all. Bush burden me via heavy defense spending and excessive tax cuts, but as regrettable as that was Obama wil now burden me with another government sponsored program (that i pay for) with health care. I hate the idea, but you want to put an end to all this? Are you serious? Ok, let's start with the cradle to the grave care by government. As I've suggested in other forms let's have a real tea party and put an end to Social Security, Medicare, Corp Subsidies, Tariffs, Special Set asides for the "certain" business interest, and a host of other subsidies, that we pay for with our tax dollars, that do nothing to help the average American citizen. When you loonies are ready to have a real conversation on how to fix the "socialism" in this country bring it on! Seriously, when you're done robbing Peter to pay Paul then come and discuss this matter.
"The fact remains this country is in no way shape or form spiraling out of control."
You're kidding, right? What's the zip code to this Town of Utopia you live in? This statement is absurd on so many levels that I don't even know where to start. Try looking at the national debt, find out who's buying our debt, and see if there are any financial indicators that would make you believe that this cash infusion is never-ending. Hopefully you'll wake up to the real world once you see what's really happening in this nation.
i hate to pose a question like this to the forum, but it is sort inevitable. When do you think the lunatic portion of our country will start to attack the rest of our country?
I'm cringing at the thought of a federal building being destroyed again, but the rhetoric, faulty news propaganda, concerning lack of intelligence, and the extreme wackiness has me on edge.
Who will americans blame after the first domestic terrorist attack since the oklahoma city bombings?
The media? The president? Congress? The lunatics?
Will a horrible act of this magnitude finally bring people back to their senses or will it just escalate and destroy our country from within?
"The fact remains this country is in no way shape or form spiraling out of control."
You're kidding, right? What's the zip code to this Town of Utopia you live in? This statement is absurd on so many levels that I don't even know where to start. Try looking at the national debt, find out who's buying our debt, and see if there are any financial indicators that would make you believe that this cash infusion is never-ending. Hopefully you'll wake up to the real world once you see what's really happening in this nation.
AreaoGuy, I'd be happy to debate you if you want to go into economic numbers. I love numbers and can go all day about economics, so if you want to start there we can. What say you we debate it? Don't act like the drive by media and pull a "write bite" out of what i wrote and make a paragraph of non-sense about it, that is not debating.
Perhaps you were a grown up in the 70's when the unemployment rate was say 15% can you tell me what happened? Also, can you tell me what happened to America 30 years later? Did we evolve into a third world hell hole? I must be missing something.
Blame your enemy. Any pro-gun, pro-constitution dissident would suffice.
I'm a Vietnam Vet, A Gun Owner and a FORMER Republican, now Libertaian.
The Limbaugh Lemmings are racing for the cliff and taking the GOP with them.
So find another cross to hang on.
I'm a Vietnam Vet, A Gun Owner and a FORMER Republican, now Libertaian.
The Limbaugh Lemmings are racing for the cliff and taking the GOP with them.
So find another cross to hang on.
Yea Boompa, that's what is scaring me the most. These people are playing towards these brain dead (for lack of a better word) fanatics and it is frightening. I agree there are a lot of things to disagree with, but i believe these individuals are going to become extreme.
I have no problem with those disagreeing with the government and organizing peaceful protest, but i have an inkling these individuals will want to do more than peaceful protest.
I hate to pose a question like this to the forum, but it is sort inevitable. When do you think the lunatic portion of our country will start to attack the rest of our country?
I'm cringing at the thought of a federal building being destroyed again, but the rhetoric, faulty news propaganda, concerning lack of intelligence, and the extreme wackiness has me on edge.
Who will Americans blame after the first domestic terrorist attack since the Oklahoma City Bombings?
The Media? The President? Congress? The Lunatics?
Will a horrible act of this magnitude finally bring people back to their senses or will it just escalate and destroy our country from within?
The people of this country really don't know what suffering is. My father came from a country where you use pasta water to clean dishes, where you use a community oven to bake bread, where waste is a sin, and there is virtually no money in circulation. I have yet to see the poorest American have to go through that yet so until this happens the status quot will remain.
The last time America has suffered hard times was probably the great depression but there aren't too many people still alive today that can shake Americans awake from the fantasy land that they live in... and it is a fantasy land when you don't actually own any of the assets that you use.
Take some time and add up all of your debt in the form of student loans, hospital bills, mortgage, car loan, credit card debt and subtract it from the equity in your house, money and investments and see if the number is a positive one. If it is positive than that is your net worth. If it is 0 or negative than you probably have as much or less net worth than the 3rd world country's citizens many American's typically criticise.
The Patriot Act was supported by both DEMS and GOP.
I thought at least part of it was to be extended only until 12/09. If the Patriot Act is of such concern to the Obama Administration . . . why have the DEMs not repealed it? They certainly have the majority vote to do it.
The people of this country really don't know what suffering is. My father came from a country where you use pasta water to clean dishes, where you use a community oven to bake bread, where waste is a sin, and there is virtually no money in circulation. I have yet to see the poorest American have to go through that yet so until this happens the status quot will remain.
The last time America has suffered hard times was probably the great depression but there aren't too many people still alive today that can shake Americans awake from the fantasy land that they live in... and it is a fantasy land when you don't actually own any of the assets that you use.
Take some time and add up all of your debt in the form of student loans, hospital bills, mortgage, car loan, credit card debt and subtract it from the equity in your house, money and investments and see if the number is a positive one. If it is positive than that is your net worth. If it is 0 or negative than you probably have as much or less net worth than the 3rd world country's citizens many American's typically criticise.
No worries. It doens't matter. The Gubment will send you a check, foodstamps, Medicaid and free tuition to go back to school and get retrained for a new job if you go bankrupt.
The Patriot Act was supported by both DEMS and GOP.
I thought at least part of it was to be extended only until 12/09. If the Patriot Act is of such concern to the Obama Administration . . . why have the DEMs not repealed it? They certainly have the majority vote to do it.
Because we basically have a duel monarchy. Both political parties are in bed with each other. Every day they bicker on television and yell at each other because that is actually what they want us to do. Later on after work you can see them in upscale restaurants around the country having dinner together. Their goal is that as long as we remain fragmented... we can never overthrow the two party system.
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Try looking at the national debt, find out who's buying our debt, and see if there are any financial indicators that would make you believe that this cash infusion is never-ending. Hopefully you'll wake up to the real world once you see what's really happening in this nation.
