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Heck GD you are correct. Speech is not UN-American.
However, I remember all the right wing radio hosts calling liberals "UN-Amercian" all during the Bush years so what is your point?
Who is calling for Pelosi's resignation?
I don't believe any of the talk shows hosts (and I do not listen to them often) were suggesting that their "speech" was Un-American. It was their ACTIONS were "Un-Americans".
Regarding the call for resignation as Speaker - certain members of Congress - and I don't know which ones - just heard it on the radio
As a lobbyist, I would assume, though I'm a little surprised that the shepherd would be able to take such time away from the flock. Also that any lobbying firm would actually retain your services in such a capacity, given a previously demonstrated inability to read legislation well enough to determine what the penalties for a first-time DUI are in EITHER of the states that you apparently live in. But anyway, what were the big examples of NOT PRECISE that you wanted to point to again? I didn't actually see any in your post...
Greatday, I and, I am betting, many others would love for you to point out those areas of the bill that are not precise. This is your opportunity to set the record straight thereby helping American people to make an informed decision!
Greatday, I and, I am betting, many others would love for you to point out those areas of the bill that are not precise. This is your opportunity to set the record straight thereby helping American people to make an informed decision!
Waiting with baited breath to see what all the fuss is over this bill. Looks like greatday may have the answers.
Greatday, I and, I am betting, many others would love for you to point out those areas of the bill that are not precise. This is your opportunity to set the record straight thereby helping American people to make an informed decision!
First off - I have made numerous references to such areas previously. But, just for fun, I'll give you just one - and one that appears in numerous locations throughout the legislation -
"The Secretary will determine ......." These sections usually deal with monetary issues. This allows an open ended action by "the Secretary". That is not being precise.
So, here is what I would suggest you do - take the 1000+ page bill, start at page one - and read. And everywhere you come to a spot that you go "I wonder what that means" or "Does it mean this" or "Does it mean that", Highlight it - mark it up.
Healther Skelter
Enraged Americans use town hall meetings to voice their anger over the health care process, and Sarah Palin speaks out against Obama's plan to kill her baby.
Don't fall for the rubbish of "NewSpeak"...
"Suggestions"
"Guidelines"
"Pay schedules"
They all mean the same - if you don't follow the rules, you can't play the game.
And the game is that MORE middlemen, with their palms outstretched, will interpose between the patient and the health care worker.
You cannot reduce the cost for health care by increasing the personnel, administrative overhead, paperwork burden, and regulatory red tape.
You cannot increase the number of patients (which is what UHC is all about) served, without increasing the number of health care workers, which, in turn, requires more funding.
You cannot seriously BELIEVE that the government can "legislate the tide to reverse", and drive down health care costs. And if costs can only INCREASE, who really benefits from the "reform"?
Not the stiff paying the bills.
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And if you DISBELIEVE that UHC won't marginalize the elderly, just ask those elderly shuffled off into warehouses (nursing homes), or housing projects, struggling to find a physician, dentist, or specialist who will accept the puny "fees" offered under Medicare / Medicaid. Or are given cursory examinations and quickly prescribed palliative compounds to move them out of the office. They are legion, but mostly forgotten. BUT THEY ARE OUR FUTURE - if we accept the heifer dung of "health care reform".
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My suggestions for cost reduction:
[] Tort reform : money back if not satisfied - and no more. A pattern of bad medical treatment - pull license for 1 year. Make him retake exams.
[] Instead of giving tax money to the health care industry, stop taking it from them.
All care givers - physicians, p.a., nurses, etc, are 100% income tax exempt - if they charge no more than double minimum wage for their time. A 20 minute visit inside the doctor's office shouldn't cost more than $5. Double that if you see the nurse, too. (Cash only - no billing - no credit!)
[] Eliminate the restriction on adults who purchase needed medicines or equipment (save on buying permission slips from the physician).
Deliberately disrupting and obfuscating speech is. To say nothing of the outright lying and deliberate distortion that's going on. The right-wing is making a disgraceful mockery of free speech and open debate.
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Originally Posted by Greatday
Speaker Pelosi's suggestion that these people who speak out are "un-American" merely goes to show that SHE is un-American is not fit to be the Speaker of the House.
Not at all. She is quite correctly pointing out that the extremists are no longer able or willing to play by the rules. Their loyalty now is to their agenda, not to their country. America weeps.
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Originally Posted by Greatday
Calls for her resignation are growing --
Moonbats have been howling at her for years. Not because of what she says or does, but because of who she is. Such vapid whining will get you nowhere.
First off - I have made numerous references to such areas previously. But, just for fun, I'll give you just one - and one that appears in numerous locations throughout the legislation - "The Secretary will determine ......." These sections usually deal with monetary issues. This allows an open ended action by "the Secretary". That is not being precise.
LOL. I thought you said you had legislative experience. Your big example is freaking boilerplate for identifying (quite specifically, I might add) which agency head will have rule-making authority in implementation of whatever requirements are specified. Have you got anything else over there, Mr. Staffer??? Like maybe an ACTUAL example of something that is NOT PRECISE???
There is a lot in the bill meant to address the problems of inefficiency in both medicaid/medicare AND even private insurance. The problem is the paperwork, not having real time access to patient information among other things. Those measures are all there in the bill. There is even a measure in there meant to address the payment efficiency of Doctors.
You are aware that medicaid/medicare already operates at a 5%overhead vs. 30% overhead of private insurance, right? so they are not that inefficient. If you believe that these mistakes (under and over payment) do not exist from the private sector,then you are sadly mistaken and as misinformed as you are berating others of being.
Medicaid or Medicare? They are two different entities.
Medicaid is federal/state administered with laws varying by state whereas Medicare is solely government administered.
People can read the bill for themselves and still not understand - I venture to state there is not ONE person on the planet who understands the entire bill.
How many members of Congress or Senate understand the following statement in the bill:
The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55.
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TITLE IV--AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986 `PART VIII--HEALTH CARE RELATED TAXES `Subpart A--Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage
`SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
`(e) Other Definitions and Special Rules-
`(6) NOT TREATED AS TAX IMPOSED BY THIS CHAPTER FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES- The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55.
BTW, if you go to the Library of Congress "Thomas" they reference
H.R.3200
Title: To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
Sponsor:Rep Dingell, John D. [MI-15] (introduced 7/14/2009) Cosponsors (8)
Latest Major Action: 7/31/2009 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by the Yeas and Nays: 31 - 28.
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