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Old 08-09-2009, 06:06 AM
 
Location: 95468
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Oh please- nobody cares about that stupid ass man or his little stupid right wing flags. If he wants to wave flags around or sell them, tell him to sell Old Glory next time. Or better yet tell him to go to his own (Republican) damn Town Halls and sell his stupid little snake flags.
The kind of love that launced a thousand wars.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Call me dense if you will, but did other countries not model their democracies after the good ol' USA? I agree that big corporations are a huge detriment to this country, but the politicians are the ones that are protecting them. If we had politicians with some balls that would stand up to big corps and cut off the proverbial tit (no offense ladies) to the welfare abusers, we would be in much better shape.
Precisely. Our country has been ruined by the extreme right - and the extreme left.

Today's politicians are bought and paid for by big business. So it's not a cliche any more - we are no longer a country, but a corporation. By the people, for the people is long gone. It is by and for the corporate elite and nobody else matters.

On the flip side, we have the left who for the last 40 years have been the driving force behind both the sad social decay we have witnessed and the boom in the slackers and parasites that have overrun our society.

All we have to do to fix our country is undo the damage caused by allowing both extremes to flourish. Re-take our society by putting corporations and parasites back in their place where they belong.

Impossible? Only to the extent that the masses think it is and do nothing.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Why don't we just dump all of the current rhetoric and go back to being a Constitutionally Governed people.

We didn't start having all of these troubles until DC decided to usurp our Constitution.

We don't have to be like anyone other than what our founding fathers intended for us to be via the Constitution.

If we lived like the Americans we are supposed to be, we wouldn't need to be mixing and matching the ideas from other nations just to get by.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:31 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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We can't turn back time.
Oh yes, we can.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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LOW gas prices? Are you talking about 1991?
Do you not own a vehicle? I wouldn't call £2.80 high gas prices or £1.68 which was recent.

How long have you lived in America? Americans don't spell "realize" as you have..."realise"..let alone "realisaton". And you claim to know about "LOW gas prices? Define low.
I just press spellchecker and the comp spells realize. Maybe my comp is dumber than you.




I'm sorry but I don't know what planet that la-la land portrait you are trying to paint ever existed on..
Not suprised you don't like the truth.



Roosters are coming home? Where were they other than stuck picking up the pieces for the European countries who couldn't save themselves during WWII? What Germany and France owe us, with the interest, should they opt to pay up, we'd be looking good. But no, they'd rather side with and actually build places of refuge for asshats like Saddam H. Oh well! Not everyone can figure out where to apply deodorent so it WORKS. The Federal Gov't is always a target to blame...just moreso when the head ass in charge is a HUGE player..with no game.
These european countries that couldn't save themselves during ww2, are they similar to the countries who have come to our aid in Iraq and Afghanbistan and is that because we can't do the job ourselves or can't save ourselves? What pieces exactly are we picking up in Europe at the moment? So the feds are always a target to blame, not the corruption in all aspects of politics or the huge corruption and control of the country by the big corps. It's just the Govt. This Govt. or all previous Govts?

Again, you obviously haven't lived in the US long enough to see people getting "unhinged and lashing out" at less. Go to a big bowl /series game..watch what happens after the game and what the fans of the winning team do..just b/c it isn't a reaction to a politcial decision doesn't mean the bad behavior is any LESS stupid/childish/violent or NEW.

Born in Florida but obviously you know more about me than i do. I lived in Birmingham for a spell when i was young and watched the national guard escort black children into our school. you want to talk about "unhinged" that was "unhinged". Yes you are right the anger after a super bowl game is disgusting. This is just another example of us starting to lose it and the anger and frustration boiling over into our everyday life.

If you have insight from living in another country (like the one you obviously were born and raised in) you'd do much better comparing what you really know to what you think you know about the USA instead of throwing the USA under the bus in your obvious "haven't lived in the USA very long, if at all, but let me tell you in a passive/agressive way how badly the US SUCKS" posts.
As i said, my job has meant i have travelled all over the world. You should try it sometime, you might then get a rounded world view and not the obviously insular and paranoid view you have now. I know what i see everyday in America and if you think that we are sailing in a smooth sea right now then you must be at home a hell of a lot under your security blanket. You think i was born abroad just becuse i have stepped out of America and travelled..pathetic. Sorry the fact that i can criticize America is a right that i have living in America. If you want to live in a country where no one can crioticize except a certain few, then go live in Iran.

Just sayin' b/c it's REALLY hard to miss.
This post is a great example of some of the things that are wrong in America today. You make so many assumptions and try to pass them off as truth. You are so afraid that something in America might change and you obviously have some kind of phobia for foreign countries and ideas.
If you and some others want to walk around with blinkers on and refuse to even accept that America must change so that we can move forward..ok, but don't expect everyone else to do the same.

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Old 08-09-2009, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Precisely. Our country has been ruined by the extreme right - and the extreme left.

Today's politicians are bought and paid for by big business. So it's not a cliche any more - we are no longer a country, but a corporation. By the people, for the people is long gone. It is by and for the corporate elite and nobody else matters.

On the flip side, we have the left who for the last 40 years have been the driving force behind both the sad social decay we have witnessed and the boom in the slackers and parasites that have overrun our society.

All we have to do to fix our country is undo the damage caused by allowing both extremes to flourish. Re-take our society by putting corporations and parasites back in their place where they belong.

Impossible? Only to the extent that the masses think it is and do nothing.
Yiou are right in so many ways. These posts on here are such a great example of why we carry on accepting bad politics. If someone says a party is doing something wrong then that person automatically becomes a supporter of the other party, whether they are neutral and just making a observation they become the "enemy". Party politics is now very destructive in America and getting more hate fuelled every day. Corporations own the Govt and many admire the corporations. This is creating a two tier system in America and even a town hall meeting on health reform can no longer be conducted without hatred and violence.
Makes you fel pretty ashamed of these morons who have lost it.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I agree that we should look to all places for ideas but you have to also understand what works in one place may not work here and not because we are not open to new things. You seem to think every aspect of America is broken, I do not. Do we have areas that we need to fix? Sure but I have no doubt that we will do what it takes to fix it.
I understand that not everything would work in America just because it works abroad, i agree with you on that. But in the same way not everything that works abroad would fail here either. It's a case of picking what would be better for us and not picking what we don't need.
I don't think every aspect of America is broken but it's sad that if i criticise certain aspects of America i am either branded a socialist or even accused of not being American. I have never advocated that America should be full of "Stepford wives" but unfortunatel there are some on here that obviously do.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:02 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Yiou are right in so many ways. These posts on here are such a great example of why we carry on accepting bad politics. If someone says a party is doing something wrong then that person automatically becomes a supporter of the other party, whether they are neutral and just making a observation they become the "enemy". Party politics is now very destructive in America and getting more hate fuelled every day. Corporations own the Govt and many admire the corporations. This is creating a two tier system in America and even a town hall meeting on health reform can no longer be conducted without hatred and violence.
Makes you fel pretty ashamed of these morons who have lost it.
Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

But do you see what I'm saying? Our problems were not caused by America being resistant to change. Quite the opposite - we have been increasingly asleep at the switch for the last 40 years and we allowed our country to be stolen from us.

I'm not saying what we had was perfect - but it worked. For a far better quality of life for most Americans than we have today.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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.. Remember when masons and carpenters were actually decent paying skilled jobs? ..
What? ..

You've got to be kidding me, right?

I've been in the business of building for many, many years, and never, throughout the course of my business, has a mason made more money than in 2007/2008.

You can chase Reagan around the block with ridicule all you like, but my small business flourished under his admin. We also flourished under Bush Sr. and Clinton ...

My business was doing very well before this housing bubble even began.

I'm sure that Obama is a really great guy. But his policies are going to force my higher paid masons to go home .. permanently. With some of the stuff Obama is proposing, small businesses like mine will fail to flourish, much less even survive.

I refuse to become just another statistic, or glorified welfare case. My men need their jobs, and the more creative I get in helping them to keep those jobs, the more I've got daisy-do-gooders and moronic-moonbats in DC coming up with even more ways for my men to lose their jobs.

Changey-feely is only a good thing if you are a welfare case ... pie in the sky politics doesn't work with those of us who are actually out here working for a living.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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What? ..

You've got to be kidding me, right?

I've been in the business of building for many, many years, and never, throughout the course of my business, has a mason made more money than in 2007/2008.

You can chase Reagan around the block with ridicule all you like, but my small business flourished under his admin. We also flourished under Bush Sr. and Clinton ...

My business was doing very well before this housing bubble even began.

I'm sure that Obama is a really great guy. But his policies are going to force my higher paid masons to go home .. permanently. With some of the stuff Obama is proposing, small businesses like mine will fail to flourish, much less even survive.

I refuse to become just another statistic, or glorified welfare case. My men need their jobs, and the more creative I get in helping them to keep those jobs, the more I've got daisy-do-gooders and moronic-moonbats in DC coming up with even more ways for my men to lose their jobs.

Changey-feely is only a good thing if you are a welfare case ... pie in the sky politics doesn't work with those of us who are actually out here working for a living.
That is bullcrap! very time I go by a construction site the only people I see laying bricks or framing are Spanish speaking and probably illegally here.
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