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View Poll Results: Is Obama a Saul Alinsky Marxist
yes 26 76.47%
no 7 20.59%
other 1 2.94%
not sure 0 0%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-10-2009, 10:48 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Sure he is, maybe they could have been partners in crime or something or even written a few books together.
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:04 PM
 
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I think you will find Saul Alinsky and Obama brothers (Comrades) when it comes to their thinking.

Not only in thinking does he appear to have the same features as socialists
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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Read?

A BOOK?!

Elitist.
"What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be?" From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals.
"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..." And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do - that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."
Here's an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals:
"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive -- but real -- allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/michelle_obama_4.php

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Old 08-10-2009, 11:23 PM
 
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Only someone who's never read a book would think something like "the world as it is...the world as it should be" originated with Saul Alinsky.

But your sources already know that.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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Only someone who's never read a book would think something like "the world as it is...the world as it should be" originated with Saul Alinsky.

But your sources already know that.
The more people learn about Saul Alinsky's teachings, the more they will learn about Barrack H. Obama.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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"What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be?" From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals.
"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..." And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do - that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."
Here's an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals:
"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive -- but real -- allies of the Haves...The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."
Michelle Obama Used Lines From Saul Alinsky's Book, 'Rules for Radicals' In Last Night's Speech :: Political News and commentaries :: Hyscience
The "world as it is" and the "world as it should be" are phrases that vastly pre-date Saul Alinsky. And they are concepts that are embraced by every social idealist, including Jesus Christ.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:49 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The more people learn about Saul Alinsky's teachings, the more they will learn about Barrack H. Obama.
100% correct. This administration is following Alinsky's book line by line.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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The more people learn about Saul Alinsky's teachings, the more they will learn about Barrack H. Obama.
But Saul Alinsky's book and teachings are being used by right-wing activists right now. I guess radicalism is an equal opportunity philosophy. Can you wrap your mind around that?
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:52 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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But Saul Alinsky's book and teachings are being used by right-wing activists right now. I guess radicalism is an equal opportunity philosophy. Can you wrap your mind around that?
Where did you come up with that? Alinsky's idealogy is a far left one.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:56 AM
 
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Where did you come up with that? Alinsky's idealogy is a far left one.
Alinsky's political ideology was certainly leftist. However, his rules for radicals can be used by any radical group, leftist or rightist. And radicals come in all sizes, shapes and political persuasions.

Ooh, and here's one news source talking about Alinsky's Rules for Radicals being adopted by the right. There are several other similar articles. Do you want them all?

http://washingtonindependent.com/545...n-leftist-text
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