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I don't think they "opted" for it . . . their government made it mandatory and that was that.
I think the interesting plan to look at may be the Swiss plan - I believe it took them several years to transition to the system they now have. It was a very measured process.
Since Switzerland has a population about the size of Virginia, would it work in the US? Isn't Switzerland the one European country that just says "no" to unlimited immigration?
Yes i was born and raised in Europe. It's not until i married my American wife, bought a home in America and lived in America that i really appreciated the UHC. Having used both systems i just cannot understand why so many are fighting so hard for a second rate expensive health system that now exists in America.
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Originally Posted by CharlottePirateFan
Yes i was born and raised in Europe. It's not until i married my American wife, bought a home in America and lived in America that i really despised UHC. Having used both systems i just cannot understand why so many are fighting so hard for a second rate expensive health system that now exists in Europe
Oh. I wonder who's lying. Geeoro has data to back up his point. Health care is much more expensive here in America, and our outcomes are much worse.
I guess that shows who has integrity and who doesn't.
Actually our cancer survival rates are the best in the world.
If you are covered and if the insurance company allows treatment.
Maybe you have a higher success rate as their are many who never even get diagnosed or can afford treatment. Have you not read the posts from people on here who have had family die of Cancer because of no cover or refused treatment. ADD them to the figures and see how high the survival rate really is.
If you are covered and if the insurance company allows treatment.
Maybe you have a higher success rate as their are many who never even get diagnosed or can afford treatment. Have you not read the posts from people on here who have had family die of Cancer because of no cover or refused treatment. ADD them to the figures and see how high the survival rate really is.
So overall our cancer survival rates are the best in the world.
You could have just said "you're right". Like I didnt already know.
So overall our cancer survival rates are the best in the world.
You could have just said "you're right". Like I didnt already know.
But you're not right - and you were lying above. America is worse in almost every category of measurement. Perhaps you can find one statistic that supports you - but overall you're still way wrong. And lying.
How about a ranking of individual freedoms and taxation, where would we fare in contrast to the countries listed?
How do you define 'freedom'? Having lived in both the US and UK.. I am certainly no less 'free' than in the US. Taxation - your going to pay around a third of your earnings in the UK (taxes for everything + national insurance) and the US (taxes for everything + private insurance). There are many differences i.e in my experience the UK took more of my paycheck, but more is provided (healthcare for example), but things like property taxes are extremely small to those in the US. Cellphones are a lot cheaper in the UK, public transport is among the best in the world) When all is said and done each country gets you for everything regardless.
i can live without the freedom to sit on my couch, holding a towel over my bleeding hand, trying to decide if it's worth going into debt to go to the hospital for the deep cuts across 3 of my fingers. thank you very much. this is a situation i have really been in.
hell, now i *have* health insurance and i still blast through my $1250 deductible every year. and i don't have any major health problems.
My significant other used to work at a hospital in Raleigh, NC where they were on this kick of putting fancy wood paneling, flatscreen TVs with DVD players, Playstation 3s and all kinds of extraneous crap in their hospital rooms. A regular old 19" tube with basic cable works just fine. They were a bit confused as to whether they were a hospital or a hotel. But who really paid was the insurance companies, who passed the cost along to their policy holders.
Trim some of this fat, strip it down to the essentials, provide the necessary care and maybe it doesn't have to cost so damn much. If I'm going to pay for a hotel room, I'll do it when I'm in good health and I'll go to the Hilton or Four Seasons, not a hospital.
Good point. I remember my grandmother was setup in a place like that in Columbia-Presbyterian in NYC. It looked more like a 5-star hotel than a hospital. It was ridiculous.
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