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Old 08-12-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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what are you talking about? tangent.
Uh...no. This is what you wrote: .....how do you presume that the current number of MD's are going to effectively and efficiently cover the extra 40+ million whom may possibly be thrown into the mix?

That question can't be answered without first telling me how many man-hours will be needed to care for the extra people and how many man-hours are used in caring for current patients. Got any clues?

If the 40 million require only a yearly checkup, then I'd say our current staff can handle the extra work. Without numbers, it's only speculation. NewsMax conveniently left that out.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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From what I understand, under "HIS" plan, all MD's across the board will get paid the same $ amt. No matter if they are a cardiothoracic surgeon, dermatologist or Family MD.

If my prediction is correct...the specialists who are now making pretty good $, are going to say 'scr*w this' and also less medical students will end up specializing, why should they? To get paid the same as joe schmo Family MD next door who makes the same?

Result? Less specialists all across the board, GI, cardiac, specialist surgeons, orthopedic and I could go on-HARDER TO FIND, HARDER TO GET IN TO SEE, LONG WAIT TIMES AS A RESULT.
As opposed to NOW when everyone wants to be a specialist with the result that General Practitioners (GP's) are hard to find?

"Although such primary-care doctors were once the cornerstone of American medicine, their numbers have dwindled as younger doctors have been drawn to specialty fields by money and the lure of new technology. So today, as more patients enroll in health-maintenance organizations or physician networks that rely heavily on general doctors to hold down costs, a rising demand is confronting a declining supply."

THE PROBLEMS: SHORTAGE; Too Few General Doctors - The New York Times

Ken

PS - I doubt that all doctors will be paid the same - for one thing, NONE of the plans call for a single payer system government-run system.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Shortage of Doctors an Obstacle to Obama's Goals
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/he...cy/27care.html
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:06 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Shortage of Doctors an Obstacle to Obama's Goals
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/he...cy/27care.html
As it is an obstacle to the functioning of the CURRENT system.

Ken
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Any shortage of doctors in the United States can be alleviated by increasing the number of openings in medical schools. When the military struggled with having enough doctors they started Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. End of shortage.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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my and NewsMaxs' bad. you're right.
So why don't you start another thread with the title

""My Other Title was a Lying Scare tactic, Totally Untrue"
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"Obama said that doctors who only treat patients in a way to help them make good choices don’t get paid much because of a fee schedule that is out there. What he didn’t go on to explain is that the fee schedule is largely set by the government. The schedule isn’t just “out there,” the government sets the fee schedule for what doctors will get paid by medicare and other government medical programs. Then private insurance companies must react to the extremely low pay set up by medicare and must raise prices on private individuals to make up for the loss that the government causes.
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Obama: Doctors cut off feet for money (http://www.examiner.com/x-4291-Baltimore-Christian-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m8d12-Obama-Doctors-cut-off-feet-for-money - broken link)
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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More fear tactics from the right.
Move to Britain and try to find a doctor that speaks English you can understand. They have to import doctors and who knows where he got his degree. Quoting slogans is not going to solve anything.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Doctor Shortage Looms Amid Healthcare Reform


Association of American Physicians & Surgeons.

It's not that these folks have a agenda, other then being anti-AMA, anti-social security (tax), anti-Medicare and Medicaid, and any government involvement in the area of medicine. Nah, they are in it for you. Omnia pro aegroto
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Move to Britain and try to find a doctor that speaks English you can understand. They have to import doctors and who knows where he got his degree. Quoting slogans is not going to solve anything.
So the solution is to make sure not every can see a Dr. so the lucky ones who can don't have to wait and then all the Dr's will all be English speaking?
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