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Old 08-15-2009, 05:15 AM
 
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So he cuts down on deductions for most people, so that means small business people will faster reach the $ 250K and than Obama will tax the heck out of them...So they get hit twice!!!!

Result; more job loss!
more people who will try to move their businessess abroad!


On top of that when and it isn't "if"!, when health care turns out to be to expensive Obama/government will cut down on treatments.
-Not every one will have their baby delivered in the hospital, less or none pain medications during the delivery (that is "normal" in The Netherlands, suffering is part of the deal to cut down on cost, under the cover up that it is better for the mother and baby!)
-no mammograms, pap smears, PSA test paid by health care on a yearly base, wait 5 days if you or your kids have a fever before going to a doctor or you will be send away.
-waiting list for MRI's and they only wll be done in certain cases which will be decided by the government.
-no hip replacement above a certain age.
-only get to see a specialist if your primary doctor agrees, otherwise...too bad for you!

etc.......don't believe the empty suit who can't even explin the costs, ask him how much it will cost and see what his answer is...uhm uhm uhm..
Look at what Obama said in his own words caught on tape, years ago...."I'm in favor of a single payer plan!"

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Old 08-15-2009, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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More job loss, indeed.

Add to that the Bush tax cuts which will expire next year, plus more taxes to pay for these stupid schemes being forced down our throats.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:32 AM
 
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How many small business owners taking home $250K+ pay their employees out of their own household expenses?
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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So he cuts down on deductions for most people, so that means small business people will faster reach the $ 250K and than Obama will tax the heck out of them...So they get hit twice!!!!

Result; more job loss!
more people who will try to move their businessess abroad!


On top of that when and it isn't "if"!, when health care turns out to be to expensive Obama/government will cut down on treatments.
-Not every one will have their baby delivered in the hospital, less or none pain medications during the delivery (that is "normal" in The Netherlands, suffering is part of the deal to cut down on cost, under the cover up that it is better for the mother and baby!)
-no mammograms, pap smears, PSA test paid by health care on a yearly base, wait 5 days if you or your kids have a fever before going to a doctor or you will be send away.
-waiting list for MRI's and they only wll be done in certain cases which will be decided by the government.
-no hip replacement above a certain age.
-only get to see a specialist if your primary doctor agrees, otherwise...too bad for you!

etc.......don't believe the empty suit who can't even explin the costs, ask him how much it will cost and see what his answer is...uhm uhm uhm..
Look at what Obama said in his own words caught on tape, years ago...."I'm in favor of a single payer plan!"
Except for the part that none of what you say is true, it sounds bad.
I'm on Medicare I don't have any waiting lists.
Congress, not Obama enacts laws and taxes.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:48 AM
 
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How many small business owners taking home $250K+ pay their employees out of their own household expenses?

not what he said.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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So he cuts down on deductions for most people, so that means small business people will faster reach the $ 250K and than Obama will tax the heck out of them...So they get hit twice!!!!

Result; more job loss!
more people who will try to move their businessess abroad!


On top of that when and it isn't "if"!, when health care turns out to be to expensive Obama/government will cut down on treatments.
-Not every one will have their baby delivered in the hospital, less or none pain medications during the delivery (that is "normal" in The Netherlands, suffering is part of the deal to cut down on cost, under the cover up that it is better for the mother and baby!)
-no mammograms, pap smears, PSA test paid by health care on a yearly base, wait 5 days if you or your kids have a fever before going to a doctor or you will be send away.
-waiting list for MRI's and they only wll be done in certain cases which will be decided by the government.
-no hip replacement above a certain age.
-only get to see a specialist if your primary doctor agrees, otherwise...too bad for you!

etc.......don't believe the empty suit who can't even explin the costs, ask him how much it will cost and see what his answer is...uhm uhm uhm..
Look at what Obama said in his own words caught on tape, years ago...."I'm in favor of a single payer plan!"
Well, for one thing, you are mixing two different variables and saying that they are one and the same. Employees earning W-2 income get taxed first and then get paid. Granted, the smart ones employ financial planners/accountants to find them as many write-offs as possible. They also find vehicles that will allow them to invest as much pre-tax money as possible so that they pay the least taxes as possible. We do that too.

Small-businesses or large businesses - both get the same tax treatment. That means they pay tax AFTER expenses, AFTER write-offs (of all kinds). I have NO idea how they are "hit twice."

The only people getting "hit twice" are the working people/the employees. They pay taxes once before they get their paycheck, then they pay taxes again on their savings. This country certainly doesn't offer "incentives" for savings other than the various retirement programs 401(k), etc.

FYI, I have my own business. People would be smart to open a small business, even if at home, if only to save on taxes. Most successful people that I know own and operate some kind of small business.

As far as moving businesses abroad, my friend, this has been happening for decades. I worked at an accounting firm in the 80's (yes 80's) and we already, at that time, had a team of accountants and attorneys who specialized in handling "ex-patriots" and those who moved their businesses out of the country in order to save on taxes. That is a train that has already gone by at least three decades ago.

Your other issues regarding healthcare sound like they're coming from a right-wing pundit playbook.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:12 AM
 
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Except for the part that none of what you say is true, it sounds bad.
I'm on Medicare I don't have any waiting lists.
Congress, not Obama enacts laws and taxes.
Always the toughest hurdle....they fall over it every time.


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Old 08-15-2009, 07:17 AM
 
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So he cuts down on deductions for most people, so that means small business people will faster reach the $ 250K and than Obama will tax the heck out of them...So they get hit twice!!!!

Result; more job loss!
more people who will try to move their businessess abroad!


On top of that when and it isn't "if"!, when health care turns out to be to expensive Obama/government will cut down on treatments.
-Not every one will have their baby delivered in the hospital, less or none pain medications during the delivery (that is "normal" in The Netherlands, suffering is part of the deal to cut down on cost, under the cover up that it is better for the mother and baby!)
-no mammograms, pap smears, PSA test paid by health care on a yearly base, wait 5 days if you or your kids have a fever before going to a doctor or you will be send away.
-waiting list for MRI's and they only wll be done in certain cases which will be decided by the government.
-no hip replacement above a certain age.
-only get to see a specialist if your primary doctor agrees, otherwise...too bad for you!

etc.......don't believe the empty suit who can't even explin the costs, ask him how much it will cost and see what his answer is...uhm uhm uhm..
Look at what Obama said in his own words caught on tape, years ago...."I'm in favor of a single payer plan!"
I agree, except that from what I see, it is YOU that is the empty suit. Your post is not based on facts or the reality of how businesses are run. Are you trying to add more fear to the sheepeople already living in baseless fear or just passing on information fed to you by others? Either way, try getting your ducks in a row before making yourself look foolish.
Casper
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I agree, except that from what I see, it is YOU that is the empty suit. Your post is not based on facts or the reality of how businesses are run. Are you trying to add more fear to the sheepeople already living in baseless fear or just passing on information fed to you by others? Either way, try getting your ducks in a row before making yourself look foolish.
Casper
Fear mongering is all they know. It's always "big, bad corporations", "big, bad pharma", etc.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Fear mongering is all they know. It's always "big, bad corporations", "big, bad pharma", etc.
Health Insurance Profits up 400% in 5 years.
but thats irrelivent to those without insurance
Leading cause of Bankruptcies, Medical Bills.
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