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Old 08-20-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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What's up with US territories???? Why don't we just make them states? Do they not want to be states? Do they pay taxes? What services do they get? All in all, What goes along with being a US territory?

 
Old 08-20-2009, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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What's up with US territories???? Why don't we just make them states? Do they not want to be states? Do they pay taxes? What services do they get? All in all, What goes along with being a US territory?
They get all of the rights you enjoy, except they don't get voting rights in the Senate or the house. For instance, Puerto Rico has people who represent them in the Senate, but they don't vote.

I know Puerto Rico wants to be a state, at least they did. However, their yearly population isn't high enough to be considered a state. There are some other hurdles they've got to jump to become a state, but I don't remember what they all are. Also, there is a UN rule that doesn't allow certain territories to become states, that may have part to do with it as well.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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Its a bunch of BS is what it is... they enjoy protection and tax dollars from the Federal government... they get to vote in the primaries... they get to collect social security, medicare, etc... and they pay ZERO federal income taxes to the US... what a load of crap... they are "automatically" citizens of the US if they move over to the states... WTF is going on sometimes with our government...
 
Old 10-08-2009, 02:02 PM
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Its a bunch of BS is what it is... they enjoy protection and tax dollars from the Federal government... they get to vote in the primaries... they get to collect social security, medicare, etc... and they pay ZERO federal income taxes to the US... what a load of crap... they are "automatically" citizens of the US if they move over to the states... WTF is going on sometimes with our government...

F.Y.I

1). Residents pay social security and medicare (Isn't that part of fed tax?)

2.) They can't vote in presidential elections. If you have a fed job, you pay fed taxes back in the States..

3.) Resident receive welfare/housing/family food card, but it's a lot less than what States receive.

4.) U.S citizenship was imposed on them (Not that it's a bad thing, but it was) Their citizenship could be taken away at any time through Congress, because it isn't guaranteed through the U.S Constitution.
 
Old 10-08-2009, 02:45 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Its a bunch of BS is what it is... they enjoy protection and tax dollars from the Federal government... they get to vote in the primaries... they get to collect social security, medicare, etc... and they pay ZERO federal income taxes to the US... what a load of crap... they are "automatically" citizens of the US if they move over to the states... WTF is going on sometimes with our government...
Holdovers from U.S. imperialism. We took them, they didn't voluntarily join the U.S. Both Hawaii and Alaska were once territories, and both were illegally made states. All territories (and also Hawaii and Alaska) should be allowed to vote and decide if they want independence or statehood.
 
Old 10-08-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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What's up with US territories???? Why don't we just make them states? Do they not want to be states? Do they pay taxes? What services do they get? All in all, What goes along with being a US territory?
The Senate for one reason. If they became a state they would get senators. Do you really want a tiny island like Guam or Samoa having the same say in national matters as California does?

57,000 is the total population of American Samoa.

80,000 people in the Northern Mariana Islands.

108,000 in the US Virgin Islands.

Those three combined are less than Wyoming, the current least populated state.

Puerto Rico is the only territory with a significant population.
 
Old 02-03-2010, 12:12 AM
 
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There is also the issue of how well would these islands assimilate into the United States. What I mean is how "American" do people on these islands feel?! The answer is that they are more loyal to their local identity rather than solely being American. American Samoans, for example, see themselves as Samoan first and American a distant second. Also, how "American" would the islands be seen by the residents of the US Mainland?! What historical and social connections does the Northern Mariana Islands have with someone from Massachusetts.

Therefore, I believe that much of the issue has to do with culture and identity rather than just economics. Listen to the debates over Puerto Rican statehood and you will see my point.

On the other hand, perhaps the political status of some of these territories can be adjusted. Perhaps, Guam should become a commonwealth and perhaps even reunited with the Marianas. Perhaps, American Samoa could vote whether to join Western Samoa or become a commonwealth. Perhaps, the USVI could become a commonwealth or some other entity. However, statehood...I do not see this as likely at all in the next 30 years.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 07:21 AM
 
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I think everyone needs to take a look at this video and see the true racism and marginalization of these groups... It's total BS to say that they don't affiliate themselves with the rest of the USA, or that they don't understand our culture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CesHr99ezWE
 
Old 03-11-2015, 01:12 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I support statehood for Puerto Rico and incorporated territory status for the others (Guam, American Samoa, the US Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands). If at some point Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands want to unify and seek statehood (as several politicians in those territories have advocated) than that is ok with me but that's something for years down the road. These places WANT to be part of the United States ... they want the same economic and political benefits as every other American. The people of these territories serve in the US military - our military - in huge numbers. If they are willing to fight for us than that is good enough for me.

I also advocate ending the Compacts of Free Association with Palau, the Marshall Islands, and Micronesia and forcing them to choose between independence or annexation as a US territory. These islands were technically never under US sovereignty but rather were US administered UN mandate trust territories. "Free Association" has been a total failure for both the US and these islands. A black hole through which American taxpayer's money pours into without any oversight or accountability by the US government. If they want to be independent, cool ... but you shouldent be allowed to have independence on the US taxpayer's dime. If you want our money your going to have to put up with our rule. Annexation would also act as a counterbalance against China, and establishes a 'barrier' against Chinese aggression.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I know Puerto Rico wants to be a state, at least they did. However, their yearly population isn't high enough to be considered a state. T
There are 21 states with smaller populations.
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