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View Poll Results: Which plan do you support
Republican Plan 4 28.57%
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:54 PM
 
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American Thinker: Health care reform that actually works!

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Health care reform that actually works!

By William Tate

"Where's the Republican plan?"

It's one of the red herrings that apologists for Obamacare pull out of their bag of clichéd talking points when pressed to justify Democrats' attempt to grab control of 18% of the nation's economy.


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And it didn't take any socialist welfare programs to do it.

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Old 08-20-2009, 08:59 PM
 
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Healthcare that works... bit of a dubious claim since the entire gist of the article is the rise in the number of physicians not the the increase in the number of patients who can afford their care and Texas remains by far the state with highest rate of uninsured.

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Old 08-20-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I am FOR tort reform of some sort but you have to have ways of punishing bad doctors too. The AMA won't do it.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I am FOR tort reform of some sort but you have to have ways of punishing bad doctors too. The AMA won't do it.

Umm the AMA doesn't do it. The States do.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:13 PM
 
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I'd actually like to see tort reform become part of health care reform. No doubt about it, it's a good concept. But how does tort reform stop insurance companies from dropping sick patients or refusing to cover those with pre-existing conditions? What does it do to address the 46 million without insurance and the millions more who are under-insured? How does it address the cost caps of what insurance companies will pay, beyond which all expenses are to be paid in full by the patient?

Talk about oversimplifying.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Umm the AMA doesn't do it. The States do.
Maybe you are right but it is still a board made up of doctors and they never punish a fellow doctor. They all stick together. That is why we need lawyers to punish the bad doctors.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Maybe you are right but it is still a board made up of doctors and they never punish a fellow doctor. They all stick together. That is why we need lawyers to punish the bad doctors.
Could we then have doctors to punish bad lawyers, in return? Surely you don't think all those lawyers are so pure, but then the trial lawyers association does kick in lots of money for the DNC to work with.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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But how does tort reform stop insurance companies from dropping sick patients or refusing to cover those with pre-existing conditions?
You don't need a government takeover of HC to see that happen, or a 1000-page bill to detail it.

I would like to see tort reform, it is a must and you never find it in any democratic bill - they are in the pocket of the trial lawyers. The cost of frivolous lawsuits and practicing defensive medicine is enormous.

I am also in favor of requiring insurers to offer HC to all residents in a particular state, on a sliding fee basis. Obviously, the healthier people will get a lower premium, but they shouldn't be allowed to cherry pick among the populace - if they want to operate in a state, they must offer AND accept all who are willing to pay the premiums, which should have a cap for those with pre-existing conditions.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Maybe you are right but it is still a board made up of doctors and they never punish a fellow doctor. They all stick together. That is why we need lawyers to punish the bad doctors.

Well thats wrong too. One may argue that they are not tough enough but your statement is clearly untrue. I would caution you against using absolute language (always,never) since you will almost always be proven wrong.

Public Citizen | Publications - Public Citizen’s Health Research Group Ranking of the Rate of State Medical Boards’ Serious Disciplinary Actions, 2006-2008 (HRG Publication #1868)

By the way who should punish bad lawyers? Doctors?
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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So you take a state where nearly half of it's population has no health insurance, add a cap of damages to patients harmed by doctors and the amount is grossly insufficient to provide lifetime care for chronic complications.

"...requiring plaintiffs to provide expert witness reports to support their claims within four months of filing suit or drop the case... "

Anybody got tens of thousands of dollars to pay for their expert witness...hope you won't need more than one!!


"..And Perry points out that tort reform has brought service to critically underserved, predominantly minority and poor communities.."

Also the least likely to be able to afford an attorney and/or an expert witness.."


".."Changes were seen immediately, and continue to be felt. All major liability insurers cut their rates upon passage of our reforms, with most of those cuts ranging in the double-digits. More than 10 new insurance carriers entered the Texas market, increasing competition and further lowering costs.

Lowering costs for doctors!

Gee all this just happened overnight because the state of Texas just loves it's poor and minorities...okay..sure thing.

This sure isn't socialism, it's preventing people injured by hospitals and doctors having their legal means of redress severely curtailed while giving the medical establishment a legal hedge of protection.

Way to go Texas!
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