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That's pretty much the way I see it. We spent 8 years being critical of Bush for his decisions and policies and now Obama -- and his wife -- are getting bashed for everything and anything just to give us "a taste of [our] own medicine". Funny how so much of the Obama bashing is exactly the same thing as the Bush bashing -- except for the fact the with Bush it was legit and with Obama it is so much just throwing the same words back.
Perhaps if you came up with a taste of some other medicine.....
Nice riposte. Use the "I'm rubber you're glue, your words bounce off me and stick to you" defense.
FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
The major characteristics of "Fascism" :
* EXTREME RIGHT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS
* BRUTAL
Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.
LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
Is that clear?
Left = opposition to traditional authority
Right = support of traditional authority
True "Fascism" would have to be in support of "traditional" authority, using brutality and pseudo-religious behavior.
So what clue leads us to know what "traditional authority or opinion" is?
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
What is AGAINST traditional authority or opinion?
From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Most Americans would be surprised to learn that private property rights were abolished by voluntary enrollment into national socialism (aka Socialist InSecurity).
PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
If the government takes your property for public use - and does not pay just compensation - then you have absolute proof that you do not own private property anymore.
In case you were curious, there is NO LAW that requires all Americans to participate in Socialist InSecurity, nor is there any law that punishes an American who does not participate. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude - legal slavery to the collective STATE.
(BTW - no communist nation achieved true communism. All admit that they have only reached SOCIALISM...)
COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.
SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary
Socialism and its cousin, communism, are diametrically opposed to absolute ownership by individuals. They will only tolerate qualified ownership, shared with the State, and you know who has the superior claim...
So the president is NOT a right wing totalitarian advocate.
He's a LEFT WING, opposed to private property rights, dyed in the wool SOCIALIST / COLLECTIVIST, dedicated to taking from one and giving to another.
And, no, the Demopublicans nor the Republicrats will resolve this problem.
In the "horse race" of politics, they're all running on the left side of the race track, since 1935.
How did you over look the part I bolded and italicized?
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Any "nationalization" of any businesses which may have occurred in recent months occurred because the US Government invested in the banks, auto companies, etc. The government gave money, the corporations who accepted it gave up some control. That's capitalism, not socialism. The businesses involved had a choice -- the could accept the investment by the government and, in exchange, give the government some control or they could find someone else to invest (and to whom they would have to give up a certain amount of control) or they could go out of business. Their companies, their choice.
If Obama were a socialist, he'd take over the oil and pharmaceutical companies who are making money hands over fist, not the failing auto companies and financial institutions.
[quote=Sagran;10597765]How did you over look the part I bolded and italicized?
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Any "nationalization" of any businesses which may have occurred in recent months occurred because the US Government invested the banks, auto companies, etc. The government gave money, the corporations who accepted it gave up some control. That's capitalism, not socialism. The businesses involved had a choice -- the could accept the investment by the government and, in exchange, give the government control or they could find someone else to invest (and to whom they would have to give up a certain amount of control) or they could go out of business. Their company, their choice.
If Obama were a socialist, he'd take over the oil and pharmaceutical companies who are making money hands over fist, not the failing auto companies and financial institutions.[/QUOTE]
How did you over look the part I bolded and italicized?
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Any "nationalization" of any businesses which may have occurred in recent months occurred because the US Government invested the banks, auto companies, etc. The government gave [1]money, the corporations who accepted it gave up some control. [2] That's capitalism, not socialism. The businesses involved had a choice -- the could accept the investment by the government and, in exchange, give the government control or they could find someone else to invest (and to whom they would have to give up a certain amount of control) or they could go out of business. Their company, their choice.
[3] If Obama were a socialist, he'd take over the oil and pharmaceutical companies who are making money hands over fist, not the failing auto companies and financial institutions.
1. Since 1933, there have been no dollars in circulation. A "dollar bill" (Federal Reserve Note) is not a dollar (See: Title 12 USC Sec. 411).
2. Capitalism = absolute ownership by individuals. It is not usurers "investing" in limited liability artificial persons (corporations).
Socialism (and communism) = collective ownership. If any socialist entity fails to pay his socialist taxes, is it not true that government will take the property without just compensation? That means NO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
3. The argument that Obama is NOT a socialist because he hasn't taken over profitable industries is absurd.
Any "profitable" company that fails to pay its socialist taxes will soon discover who really owns it - the socialist collective. And if the company is nearly bankrupt - then what?
That's right - when the collective is unsatisfied with the tax receipts, it may "rescue" the failing industry, using the blood money stolen from the people, and then wrings out "profit" from the "socialized" enterprise. (Or uses it as a bribe, graft, influence, or payback)
IF you think that's "capitalism", we have to agree to disagree.
What you may not have considered, since 1935, all Americans who signed up with Socialist InSecurity became "human resources" pledged as collateral on the unpayable national debt. Under law, that means each and every "national socialist" is equally liable on those worthless notes (dollar bills) and cannot object to their tender.
In short, you work a lifetime of socialist labor, taxed and regulated, and receive worthless notes, borrowed at usury, that incur an extra tax burden for their existence. Your life's work at supporting the bureaucrats, administrators and "beneficiaries" culminates in a pension - IF - you last that long. And you don't believe that's evidence of socialist totalitarian dictatorship?
Even the meanest slaves of Egypt only paid a 20% tax... if you believe the Biblical reference.
The socialist / usurer alliance is in command of the United Socialist States of America, a wholly owned subsidiary of the World Bank and IMF.
And their servant is the commander in chief, BHO.
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references:
MONEY. In usual and ordinary acceptation it means gold, silver, or paper money used as circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate.
Lane v. Railey, 280 Ky. 319, 133 S.W.2d 74, 79, 81.
BLACK’S LAW DICTIONARY, 4th Edition, p. 1157.
In law, money = precious metal coin, or certificates of deposit (receipts) for real coin.
"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard, silver."
"Eagles—each to be of the value of ten dollars or units, and to contain two hundred and forty-seven grains and four eighths of a grain of pure, or two hundred and seventy grains of standard gold."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, April 2, 1792
According to Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with the original Coinage Act.
Title 31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar
(Troy ounce = 480 grains or 31.103 grams.)
Note: Millesimal fineness is a system of denoting the purity of silver. "Fine Silver" is .999, which is a higher purity than specified in the original law. However, .900 is equivalent to "Coin silver" in the USA, also known as one nine fine. That makes the 1 ounce coin in harmony with 416 grains of "standard silver".
(416/480 = .866666; or rounded up to .9)
In contrast, 'dollar bills' are not lawful money, nor were they ever 'backed' by gold.
TITLE 12, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 3, SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
"Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be OBLIGATIONS of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."
FRNs are obligations (debts) of the U.S. government to pay lawful money on demand. FRNs are not money, in the legal sense of the term.
LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.
Federal Reserve Notes are issued under the authority of Art 1 Sec 8 power to borrow on the credit of the United States.
Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power ...To coin Money...To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; (No, Congress does not have the power to CREATE money. If it did, why would it need to BORROW it? To "coin" money means to stamp bullion.)
"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305
RECAP
A dollar is a silver coin. Gold and silver coin are lawful money. Federal Reserve notes (aka "dollar bills") are NOT dollars, nor are they money.
Since 1933, the U.S. has not used dollars, but worthless IOUs, as a medium of exchange, BORROWED, at usury, into existence.
Those notes, which are evidences of an obligation to pay dollars (coin) on demand, have not been redeemable since 1933. So what is being loaned to the United States by the Federal Reserve corporation to substantiate the DEBT?
According to the national debt clock, we're up to 11.7 trillion in debt, denominated in dollars - not dollar bills.
Pursuant to the Coinage Act that translates into a sum of gold bullion weighing 585 billion ounces. Since Fort Knox only has 147.3 million ounces in its vault, one might be curious as to WHAT was lent to the U.S. government, under the auspices of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913?
(Estimates of the all the gold ever mined amounts to less than 5.5 billion ounces.)
Now you might wonder why the FEDERAL RESERVE does not wish to be audited.
We might request EVIDENCE of the sum of real money (gold coin) lent to the U.S. Government to substantiate the 11.7 trillion dollar national debt.
1. Since 1933, there have been no dollars in circulation. A "dollar bill" (Federal Reserve Note) is not a dollar (See: Title 12 USC Sec. 411).
2. Capitalism = absolute ownership by individuals. It is not usurers "investing" in limited liability artificial persons (corporations).
Socialism (and communism) = collective ownership. If any socialist entity fails to pay his socialist taxes, is it not true that government will take the property without just compensation? That means NO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
3. The argument that Obama is NOT a socialist because he hasn't taken over profitable industries is absurd.
Any "profitable" company that fails to pay its socialist taxes will soon discover who really owns it - the socialist collective. And if the company is nearly bankrupt - then what?
That's right - when the collective is unsatisfied with the tax receipts, it may "rescue" the failing industry, using the blood money stolen from the people, and then wrings out "profit" from the "socialized" enterprise. (Or uses it as a bribe, graft, influence, or payback)
IF you think that's "capitalism", we have to agree to disagree.
What you may not have considered, since 1935, all Americans who signed up with Socialist InSecurity became "human resources" pledged as collateral on the unpayable national debt. Under law, that means each and every "national socialist" is equally liable on those worthless notes (dollar bills) and cannot object to their tender.
In short, you work a lifetime of socialist labor, taxed and regulated, and receive worthless notes, borrowed at usury, that incur an extra tax burden for their existence. Your life's work at supporting the bureaucrats, administrators and "beneficiaries" culminates in a pension - IF - you last that long. And you don't believe that's evidence of socialist totalitarian dictatorship?
Even the meanest slaves of Egypt only paid a 20% tax... if you believe the Biblical reference.
The socialist / usurer alliance is in command of the United Socialist States of America, a wholly owned subsidiary of the World Bank and IMF.
And their servant is the commander in chief, BHO.
---
references:
MONEY. In usual and ordinary acceptation it means gold, silver, or paper money used as circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate.
Lane v. Railey, 280 Ky. 319, 133 S.W.2d 74, 79, 81.
BLACK’S LAW DICTIONARY, 4th Edition, p. 1157.
In law, money = precious metal coin, or certificates of deposit (receipts) for real coin.
"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard, silver."
"Eagles—each to be of the value of ten dollars or units, and to contain two hundred and forty-seven grains and four eighths of a grain of pure, or two hundred and seventy grains of standard gold."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, April 2, 1792
According to Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with the original Coinage Act.
Title 31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar
(Troy ounce = 480 grains or 31.103 grams.)
Note: Millesimal fineness is a system of denoting the purity of silver. "Fine Silver" is .999, which is a higher purity than specified in the original law. However, .900 is equivalent to "Coin silver" in the USA, also known as one nine fine. That makes the 1 ounce coin in harmony with 416 grains of "standard silver".
(416/480 = .866666; or rounded up to .9)
In contrast, 'dollar bills' are not lawful money, nor were they ever 'backed' by gold.
TITLE 12, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 3, SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
"Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be OBLIGATIONS of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."
FRNs are obligations (debts) of the U.S. government to pay lawful money on demand. FRNs are not money, in the legal sense of the term.
LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.
Federal Reserve Notes are issued under the authority of Art 1 Sec 8 power to borrow on the credit of the United States.
Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power ...To coin Money...To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; (No, Congress does not have the power to CREATE money. If it did, why would it need to BORROW it? To "coin" money means to stamp bullion.)
"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305
RECAP
A dollar is a silver coin. Gold and silver coin are lawful money. Federal Reserve notes (aka "dollar bills") are NOT dollars, nor are they money.
Since 1933, the U.S. has not used dollars, but worthless IOUs, as a medium of exchange, BORROWED, at usury, into existence.
Those notes, which are evidences of an obligation to pay dollars (coin) on demand, have not been redeemable since 1933. So what is being loaned to the United States by the Federal Reserve corporation to substantiate the DEBT?
According to the national debt clock, we're up to 11.7 trillion in debt, denominated in dollars - not dollar bills.
Pursuant to the Coinage Act that translates into a sum of gold bullion weighing 585 billion ounces. Since Fort Knox only has 147.3 million ounces in its vault, one might be curious as to WHAT was lent to the U.S. government, under the auspices of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913?
(Estimates of the all the gold ever mined amounts to less than 5.5 billion ounces.)
Now you might wonder why the FEDERAL RESERVE does not wish to be audited.
We might request EVIDENCE of the sum of real money (gold coin) lent to the U.S. Government to substantiate the 11.7 trillion dollar national debt.
Yep,...'ol Bush nationalized the auto industry,....took over the financial institutions,...tried to nationalize healthcare,..
The auto bailouts began under the Bush administration as did "taking over" the financial sector. As for nationalizing healthcare, nothing could be further from the truth (although I wish it were).
I don't think we were or we are heading towards Fascism, Communism or Socialism. We are no longer a Republic either. Our form of government is "Corporatism". Its been like this for a long time. Its just become more obvious to Americans under Bush and Obama.
Think about who rules us. Its the federal reserve bank, big banks, Wall St, big pharma (think about the countless Americans on meds, lots of meds. this is not a coincidence), the big oil rats, bio tech (companies like Monsanto who want to patent the entire world's food supply), and last but not least, the big insurance corps who collect hundreds and hundreds of billions in premiums.
IMO, this whole way of governing Americans is PSYCHOTIC!!!!!!!!!
So, wait. Is Obama a fascist or a socialist? Because, um, if you passed 8th grade social studies you would know those are polar opposite ideologies....
Great post jet,to bad that went right over their heads.I would have figured when you talk about peoples money they would listen,I think they will remember this post when their money becomes nearly worthless.
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