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I didn't take much of a point from the OP, other than the usual party in power whining about opposition from the party not in power. This has been going on for just over sixteen years, or one hundred sixty. Which ever is more relevant to yourself. Not being required to rely on the legacy media but the new media, driving live news, we become more aware more readily than in the past.
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America is a democracy. There was an election. Obama won the election.
Yeah, right. Now, get over it. That we won business ends on January 20, obviously the culmination of a campaign. Now it's time for the real work. Ask any former president. Or, as mom might say, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
There used to be something called, "The Loyal Opposition" in American democracy. That even if you didn't belong to the party currently in power, and didn't agree with their policies or philosophies, you still considered yourself American first and considered yourself to be loyal to your nation and your leader, extended respect even to those with whom you disagreed, and certainly to the Office of the Presidency. The concept of "loyal opposition," of course, changes with the times. When a President serves the interests of the powerful at the expense of the people, for example, or threatens the Rule of Law (the very foundation of our democracy), emotions will run high. But the right-wing opposition to Obama has nothing to do with his Presidency. It is a rising crescendo of hate that started long before his actual election. Its current level of intensity therefore has nothing to do with his political philosophies. It would be understandable that Republicans might not agree with Obama's policies, or might want to enter into debate about policy or political philosophical differences. This has happened in the past. Usually respectfully. But the level of rage and vitriol hurled at our President SINCE BEFORE HE WAS EVEN ELECTED suggests something far more diseased than mere disagreement. The names the right wing call our President: "boy," "bambam," "bubba" (among others) are degrading and offensive.
One has a difficult time figuring out what exactly Obama has done to these people to warrant this level of sick hatred. Especially when you consider that it has been going on since Palin's rallies. The nastier Palin got, the more they loved her. Never, during the campaign, did Obama say one disrespectful thing about John McCain or Sarah Palin. Never. Somehow, that made him even more suspect in their eyes. In response to his respectful adherence to civility and cordiality, not only did the right wing not return the respect in kind, they became even more enraged. Their behavior ever since has grown more diseased and hateful, and is an all-out perversion of the spirit of conservatism. William Buckley is probably turning in his grave. As is Reagan. Both of those men understood civility and respect. If they were to see the way so-called "Republicans" behave today--calling their President vile or demeaning or even racist names, marching in the street with disgusting/racist signs of disrespect, bringing guns to political rallies--they would disown them. For today, the right-wing masses behave like teeth-gnashing, racist, vile-spewing trolls. Even their leaders won't reprimand them. How can they? When the leaders themselves are just as hateful, and--in many cases--have themselves engineered the hate among the base: The corrupt and often racist politicians; FreedomWorks; or Rupert Murdoch's FOX network, wherein he has been on a mission to destroy American democracy by dividing the people. And FOX's audience is obeying the dictates of this Australian porn distributor and his henchmen--Hannity, Beck, et. al. Without even pausing to think about what happens to a nation when its people are divided.
America is a democracy. There was an election. Obama won the election. In response to his win, the right wing have not rolled up their sleeves and committed themselves to respectfully work with the duly elected President of the United States. No. Instead, they categorically reject the outcome of the election, and seek to destroy the administration, even if that means destroying the spirit of American unity in the process, and even that means destroying democracy itself. It's truly sickening. And it's time for the true conservatives--the Republicans with an understanding of dignity and decorum and respect--to either publicly and strongly condemn the behavior of their party, or publicly and strongly renounce it. We cannot allow this hatred to continue.
Because half the nation was duped into voting for this liar, we're supposed to lay down and take it?
No dice. We care too much for our country to see one man and his blind minions take it from being great to a borderline socialist state.
Just because someone is President doesn't mean they get to do anything and everything they want. Democracy isn't putting someone in office and just sitting back while they ruin our country. It's putting someone in office, and then being able to say, "hey, you still work for US and we don't like what you're doing".
Thank you for continuing to prove my point. Crying icons, attacks--no real substantive response at all. As one now expects from the far right-wing. Just like the Republican politicians, who scream about the public option, but have no alternatives to offer, no reasoned responses, no interest in adult debate. Just head-in-the-sand fear-baiting and trolling through the halls of Congress and in front of television screens. Nothing to offer as an alternative. Nada. Except hate and ridicule.
Because half the nation was duped into voting for this liar, we're supposed to lay down and take it?
No dice. We care too much for our country to see one man and his blind minions take it from being great to a borderline socialist state.
Just because someone is President doesn't mean they get to do anything and everything they want. Democracy isn't putting someone in office and just sitting back while they ruin our country. It's putting someone in office, and then being able to say, "hey, you still work for US and we don't like what you're doing".
We're here to stay.
Just because YOU think that those who voted for Obama were "duped" does not give you the right to tear apart this nation. What do you not "get" about how a democracy functions?
And the rest of us are pretty sick and tired of hearing about how the wingnut crowd are the only ones who "care" for their country. Nobody's taking this nation to a "borderline socialist state." Least of all, Obama. If Obama had even the least bit of "socialist" leanings, he would have seized the Big Four banks, broken them apart, in support of our anti-trust laws, and then reorganized them and put them back into private hands. Even that wouldn't have been a "socialist" move. Most of you don't have the least idea what "socialism" really is. You just take whatever FOX feeds you and repeat it, ad nauseum.
Obama doesn't think he "gets to do anything just because he's President." (And, seriously, can you not see how that sounds like it came from an 8-year-old? As in, "You don't get to boss me around just 'cuz you're older!")
If you were so concerned about the country being "ruined," where were you the last 8 years??? Even Republican economists admit that this meltdown happened over the last 30 years, including the Clinton years, and intensified to the breaking point under Bush. Primarily because of excessive deregulation.
You can be "here to stay" all you want. But you're killing your party. Your paranoid hatred of Obama is turning out to be much, much greater that your supposed "care" about your country.
Philosopher you ain't, MF. What was your point, again? Oh, yeah, to browbeat the opposition into submission, yes? Thought so, but it doesn't work in your favor. Do I "hate" him? No, but I hate his politics, and I hate his administration. Do I "hate" you? No, as you and everyone else here have their opinions, and the supposedly freedom to express them, regardless of your attempted philosophical stand.
Exactly the response from someone who knows I am correct in saying that there is much fearmongering and hate from the left
In their lust for power and greed, the left is no different from the right
Only the brainwashed partisans can't see it
Provide links, give a rational and resonable response to a well though out and honestly written thread. Your responses are indicitive of someone that does not use rationale of intelligence to debate or respond to an issue. Is it any wonder that the far right (cult) is getting the reputation that it is?
"I'm sick and tired of people who say if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow, you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say We Are Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration".
"I'm sick and tired of people who say if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow, you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say We Are Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration".
Hillary R. Clinton
Perhaps you thought it was Fox News.
Certainly, debate and disagree. But debate and disagree civilly. Do not impugn one's motives, one's character, one's very citizenship!
There used to be something called, "The Loyal Opposition" in American democracy. That even if you didn't belong to the party currently in power, and didn't agree with their policies or philosophies, you still considered yourself American first and considered yourself to be loyal to your nation and your leader, extended respect even to those with whom you disagreed, and certainly to the Office of the Presidency. The concept of "loyal opposition," of course, changes with the times. When a President serves the interests of the powerful at the expense of the people, for example, or threatens the Rule of Law (the very foundation of our democracy), emotions will run high. But the right-wing opposition to Obama has nothing to do with his Presidency. It is a rising crescendo of hate that started long before his actual election. Its current level of intensity therefore has nothing to do with his political philosophies. It would be understandable that Republicans might not agree with Obama's policies, or might want to enter into debate about policy or political philosophical differences. This has happened in the past. Usually respectfully. But the level of rage and vitriol hurled at our President SINCE BEFORE HE WAS EVEN ELECTED suggests something far more diseased than mere disagreement. The names the right wing call our President: "boy," "bambam," "bubba" (among others) are degrading and offensive.
One has a difficult time figuring out what exactly Obama has done to these people to warrant this level of sick hatred. Especially when you consider that it has been going on since Palin's rallies. The nastier Palin got, the more they loved her. Never, during the campaign, did Obama say one disrespectful thing about John McCain or Sarah Palin. Never. Somehow, that made him even more suspect in their eyes. In response to his respectful adherence to civility and cordiality, not only did the right wing not return the respect in kind, they became even more enraged. Their behavior ever since has grown more diseased and hateful, and is an all-out perversion of the spirit of conservatism. William Buckley is probably turning in his grave. As is Reagan. Both of those men understood civility and respect. If they were to see the way so-called "Republicans" behave today--calling their President vile or demeaning or even racist names, marching in the street with disgusting/racist signs of disrespect, bringing guns to political rallies--they would disown them. For today, the right-wing masses behave like teeth-gnashing, racist, vile-spewing trolls. Even their leaders won't reprimand them. How can they? When the leaders themselves are just as hateful, and--in many cases--have themselves engineered the hate among the base: The corrupt and often racist politicians; FreedomWorks; or Rupert Murdoch's FOX network, wherein he has been on a mission to destroy American democracy by dividing the people. And FOX's audience is obeying the dictates of this Australian porn distributor and his henchmen--Hannity, Beck, et. al. Without even pausing to think about what happens to a nation when its people are divided.
America is a democracy. There was an election. Obama won the election. In response to his win, the right wing have not rolled up their sleeves and committed themselves to respectfully work with the duly elected President of the United States. No. Instead, they categorically reject the outcome of the election, and seek to destroy the administration, even if that means destroying the spirit of American unity in the process, and even that means destroying democracy itself. It's truly sickening. And it's time for the true conservatives--the Republicans with an understanding of dignity and decorum and respect--to either publicly and strongly condemn the behavior of their party, or publicly and strongly renounce it. We cannot allow this hatred to continue.
That was before Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. The loyal opposition is that large block of Independents who have deserted the GOP by the millions. The Republican Party is now just Glen Beck's Army of Irate Mall Walkers.
The same 18-23% who wouldn't approve of Obama passing out gold bars.
So there is no Organized opposition just that buncccxh of noisy people who spend their days posting silly polls and worrying about Obamas birth certificate.
Question is, given that, why can't the Democrats do something. They appear paralyzed by success. I don't think Harry Reid could push through legilation with 80 votes
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