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Old 09-28-2009, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The "new rulers" have only one thing in mind: honor the Constitution.
Yea, right. LOL. That's what the central American coupies always have in mind.

We will see who wins the 'free and democratic' elections and how fair and honest they were. Somehow I already know who is going to win.

Zelaya screwed up playing his games with the poll and and gave the coupies an excuse to execute the coup.

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Old 09-28-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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Zelaya is a communist who broke the Honduran law and constitution by trying to stay in power.

America (read Obama) should have told him and the Hondurans that Zelaya was persona non grata and that he needed to shut up and go away.

I dont know if the guy in charge now will turn into a dictator but he is on the record as saying he will only be president until elections take place, that he will not run, and that he cannot ever be president again because of the Honduran Constitution.

NO ONE in America ought to be supporting Zelaya. NO ONE.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Zelaya is a communist who broke the Honduran law and constitution by trying to stay in power.

America (read Obama) should have told him and the Hondurans that Zelaya was persona non grata and that he needed to shut up and go away.

I dont know if the guy in charge now will turn into a dictator but he is on the record as saying he will only be president until elections take place, that he will not run, and that he cannot ever be president again because of the Honduran Constitution.

NO ONE in America ought to be supporting Zelaya. NO ONE.
His opposition struck when Zelaya was planning to arrange an opinion poll (yes, he was screwing around), which in itself would not have been against the law, but his opposition says he was trying to change the constitution. So, there are two sides to the story. Well, he did not change the constitution, so the coup was somewhat premature, was it not? Perhaps they should have waited until a crime had been committed. I can almost guarantee it that the upcoming elections will be a joke and the country will end up with another dictator.

Let's face it: the proposed poll was nothing but an excuse to oust the guy and take control of the country. There is nothing unclear about that.

I don't support the guy, but I find it silly that the hard-right in US are so eager to support the coupies ONLY to disagree with Obama. If Obama has supported the coupies, the hard-right would have supported Zelaya. It is beyond ridiculous, and now the coupies already put a ban on freedom of speech, and the far-right still supports them.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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His opposition struck when Zelaya was planning to arrange an opinion poll (yes, he was screwing around), which in itself would not have been against the law, but his opposition says he was trying to change the constitution. So, there are two sides to the story. Well, he did not change the constitution, so the coup was somewhat premature, was it not? Perhaps they should have waited until a crime had been committed. I can almost guarantee it that the upcoming elections will be a joke and the country will end up with another dictator.

Let's face it: the proposed poll was nothing but an excuse to oust the guy and take control of the country. There is nothing unclear about that.

I don't support the guy, but I find it silly that the hard-right in US are so eager to support the coupies ONLY to disagree with Obama. If Obama has supported the coupies, the hard-right would have supported Zelaya. It is beyond ridiculous, and now the coupies already put a ban on freedom of speech, and the far-right still supports them.

The Law Library of Congress (and I) disagree with you - and Obama.

HONDURAS: CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ISSUES

I oppose Obama in this case simply because he is on the wrong side of the law.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Law Library of Congress (and I) disagree with you - and Obama.

HONDURAS: CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ISSUES

I oppose Obama in this case simply because he is on the wrong side of the law.
Well, there you go. The document proves they used the poll issue as an excuse to toss him out. That is what the US, EU and the rest of the western world does not agree with. Imagine if the US Senate came up with some made up issue to impeach the president. Not because he broke the law, but BECAUSE THEY WANT HIM OUT AND THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT. All they needed was some issue, any issue. Of course it won't happen here, but it happens in countries like Honduras where tossing out presidents and organizing coup d'etat is practically the national pass time.

Like I said, if Obama had supported the coup, the far-right in US would support the ex-president. It's sillier than hell.

Besides, abolishing civil rights such as freedom of speech and freedom to gather is also against the Honduran constitution. Yet, that is exactly what the new "president" did this morning. If you are so concerned about the Honduran constitution, then how can you possibly condone that, while being outraged about another president wanting to run an opinon poll?

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Old 09-28-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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The Law Library of Congress has determined the deposition of Zelaya was legal under the Honduran constitution. http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/...9aa0c5dd82.pdf

Skim it quick before this administration disappears it.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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A coup and a suspension of civil rights in...a Latin American country? Honestly, I never saw that coming.

Oh, excuse me...my sarcasm alarm has just started ringing.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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BS - Free presidential elections will take place November 29. All political parties can participate, including Zelaya's.



As they have said since removing Zelaya, free elections will be had on Nov 29 to choose a new president. The "new rulers" have only one thing in mind: honor the Constitution. Their Congress, Supreme Court and Army all agree that Zelaya's referendum was unconstitutional and all agreed to exile him and hold elections in Nov. If it was a coup, it was a Constitutional Coup and a win for democracy.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Look at what the current "democratic" regieme is doing and their excuses:

Honduras Cracks Down On Zelaya Supporters : NPR

The closures came after the government declared a state of emergency Sunday night, giving security forces broad powers to arrest people, ban public gatherings and curtail freedom of the press.

Micheletti says he is not going to tolerate media outlets that are irresponsible.


I guess FOX better recall its crew from there.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:59 PM
 
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I think the support for the coup was based solely on the fact that Obama opposed it (the entire western world did). You know how some people are: they'll oppose Obama no matter what the issue is.
The Honduran Constitution states that a person may serve one term a president and then never serve as president again; furthermore, the Honduran Constitution may not be amended. This was done in 1976 to prevent a dictatorship taking control as is common in South America. When Zelaya attempted to hold a referendum to change the Constitution to allow him to serve again he violated their Constitution. The Supreme Court of Honduras ordered the military to remove Zelaya from the country to prevent a coup.

I have to admit that I'm more than just a little jealous of the way they honored their Constitution and behaved as true statesmen when this person tried to subvert their system for his own benefit. I'm am also ashamed by the behavior of our government embracing someone who was clearly trying to destroy the Honduran democracy.
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