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Old 10-02-2009, 06:31 AM
 
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If you think the Iran-Contra affair was something then you will love the story of Sibel Edmonds, the most gagged woman in America.

Sibel Edmonds has a story to tell about corruption, illegal arms and drug trades, bribes, pay-offs going all the way to the highest members of the State Department. So why haven't you heard of her despite many of her claims being corroborated by fellow FBI employees?

Thanks to recent testimony, Sibel Edmonds is now able to speak on some of these matters.

The American Conservative -- Who’s Afraid of Sibel Edmonds?

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So the network starts with a person like Grossman in the State Department providing information that enables Turkish and Israeli intelligence officers to have access to people in Congress, who then provide classified information that winds up in the foreign embassies?
And this lovely tid bit

The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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I would ask those who voted for Obama what they feel about this following statement.

As soon as Obama became president, he showed us that the State Secrets Privilege was going to continue to be a tool of choice. It’s an arcane executive privilege to cover up wrongdoing—in many cases, criminal activities. And the Obama administration has not only defended using the State Secrets Privilege, it has been trying to take it even further than the previous terrible administration by maintaining that the U.S. government has sovereign immunity. This is Obama’s change: his administration seems to think it doesn’t even have to invoke state secrets as our leaders are emperors who possess this sovereign immunity. This is not the kind of language that anybody in a democracy would use.

I can't help but chuckle on this and like issues as it is one place where contemporary Republicans and Democrats have come to silently agree. Democrats wish to remain silent so as not to inflame their base over Obama continuing and even expanding Bush policies and the Republican silence so as not to attract attention to criminal behavior of the previous administration.

So where are those principled people who so often deride corruption in our government, why are they silent?
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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edmunds the MOST GAGGED...????

after 2 books, 100's of interviews and apprearences.



NOT
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:11 AM
 
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edmunds the MOST GAGGED...????

after 2 books, 100's of interviews and apprearences.



NOT
To talk about being gagged but not allowed to talk about once declassified information.

Without violating the 'State Secrets Privilege' gag order placed upon her by ********, she has nonetheless remained in the public eye.

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On May 13, 2004, ******** submitted statements to justify the use of the State Secrets Privilege against the planned deposition by Edmonds.[28] The same day, the FBI took the unprecedented step of retroactively classifying as Top Secret all of the material and statements that had been provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2002 relating to Edmonds' own lawsuit, as well as the letters that had been sent by the Senators and republished by POGO
Sibel Edmonds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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false, she has talk in LENGTH about what she believes to be INCOMPETENCE with in the FBI, about her TRANSLATING duties,, she has VIOLATED the gag order at least a dozen times

She blew the whistle on massive incompetence at the Bureau — sloppy translations, missed messages from terror suspects.

from wiki:
Edmonds was hired, as a contractor, to work as an interpreter in the translations unit of the FBI on September 20, 2001. Among her main roles was to translate covertly recorded conversations by Turkish diplomatic and political targets.[7]

Between December 2001 and March 2002, Edmonds reported to FBI managers various incidents of misconduct and incompetence, involving her supervisor Mike Feghali and others, that she says she observed while employed as a translator. She escalated her complaints to the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility and the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Inspector General. In response, she claims that managers retaliated[8] against her. She was fired on March 22, 2002.

In June of that year, anonymous government sources asserted, in Associated Press and Washington Post reports, that Edmonds had been disruptive, breached security, and performed poorly at her job.[9] An internal FBI investigation, however, has concluded that she was fired after making "valid complaints".

Edmonds' allegations of impropriety at the FBI came to the attention of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which held unclassified hearings on the matter on June 17, 2002 and July 9, 2002. During the hearings, the FBI provided various unclassified documents and statements relating to the case, and even acknowledged that some of Edmonds' complaints, particularly regarding misconduct by her fellow translators and mismanagement within her unit, had merit.[10] This led to Senators Patrick Leahy and Chuck Grassley sending letters, dated June 19, 2002, August 13, 2002, and October 28, 2002 — to Inspector General Glenn A. Fine, Attorney General ********, and FBI Director Robert Mueller, respectively — asking for explanations and calling for an independent audit of the FBI's translation unit. These documents were published on the Senators' web sites[20][21][22][22] and were republished by a watchdog group, Project On Government Oversight (POGO).[23]



sorry but if wiki has all this info,,then it must not be "gagged" very well
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Lost In Translation
FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds Grants First Interview To Ed Bradley



This is the story of hundreds, if not thousands, of foreign language documents that the FBI neglected to translate before and after the Sept. 11 attacks -- documents that detailed what the FBI heard on wiretaps and learned during interrogations of suspected terrorists.

Sibel Edmonds, a translator who worked at the FBI's language division, says the documents weren't translated because the division was riddled with incompetence and corruption.

Edmonds was fired after reporting her concerns to FBI officials. She told her story behind closed doors to investigators in Congress and to the Justice Department. Most recently, she spoke with the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.

She first told Correspondent Ed Bradley her story a year after Sept. 11.
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Because she is fluent in Turkish and other Middle Eastern languages, Edmonds, a Turkish-American, was hired by the FBI soon after Sept. 11 and given top-secret security clearance to translate some of the reams of documents seized by FBI agents who have been rounding up suspected terrorists across the United States and abroad.

Edmonds says that to her amazement, from the day she started the job, she was told repeatedly by one of her supervisors that there was no urgency,- that she should take longer to translate documents so that the department would appear overworked and understaffed. That way, it would receive a larger budget for the next year.
We were told by our supervisors that this was the great opportunity for asking for increased budget and asking for more translators,” says Edmonds. “And in order to do that, don't do the work and let the documents pile up so we can show it and say that we need more translators and expand the department.”

Edmonds says that the supervisor, in an effort to slow her down, went so far as to erase completed translations from her FBI computer after she'd left work for the day.



hmmm icnompetence in the government....and they want government health care....scary
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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false, she has talk in LENGTH about what she believes to be INCOMPETENCE with in the FBI, about her TRANSLATING duties,, she has VIOLATED the gag order at least a dozen times

She blew the whistle on massive incompetence at the Bureau — sloppy translations, missed messages from terror suspects.

sorry but if wiki has all this info,,then it must not be "gagged" very well
The gag order doesn't mean she can't say the FBI was incompetent, it means she can't describe the details of the incompetence.

Either submit your complaints to the Justice Dept. for her alleged violations of the gag order, or understand that what she is gagged from talking about hasn't been spoken of yet.

In any event, Sibel Edmonds describes wide spread corruption at the highest levels of government and is prevented from speaking about the details.

Feel free to read her own words.

Sibel Edmonds - Official Web Site - www.JustaCitizen.org
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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intresting piece. the goverment loves to hide their wrong doing all the time both sides are truly no different from each other. power is god to them.They do not stand for us only themselves. good post
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Old 10-03-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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JD1974, another thing this whole affair gave insight to, but in a subtle way, is to the role of Turkey in our foreign policy.

Turkey sits right at a crossroads between the west, the Middle East, and Russia and just its geography alone makes it a player, albeit a quiet one.

I know that Israel has a lot of ties with Turkey and via Turkey there was a lot of influence peddling taking place with Georgia, not to mention the importance Turkey played in our vision of Iraq's future. If nothing else, this is an area of our foreign policy that I will examine closer and with greater intensity.
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