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And the whining of a few is preventing Congress from passing anything ?
I didn't know a minority of whiners held so much power over Congress.
You give much credit and power to the few Republicans in Congress.
Although I totally agree that the POTUS and the Democrats in Congress need to tell the Republicans to "take a long walk off a short pier"....Obama has held out way too many olive branches to the right to get them on board, they have proven themselves to be nothing more than obstructionists as they sit in the pockets of the lobbyists. When Bush was squatting in The Oval Office, they enabled him and gave him everything that he wanted, including the funding for a war that was illegal in the first place. This goes for the Blue Dog Democrats just as well. Bipartisanship is lost on these Congressional whores.
It strikes me funny that the same folks being critical are the same folks that have gotten us into this sorry mess, and still oppose reform.
Never mind the fact that we've been pitifully wrong about everything for decades. We know what we're talking about, and even if you once again prove us conclusively wrong, we still won't shut up!!!
-- The Right-Wing
The economy crashed in 2007-2009 because of years of deregulation; starting in 1980 with the King of Anti regulation- Ronald Reagan. For the next nearly 30 years- there was a widening of the gap between the poor and middle class and the upper 5% since the Gilded ages and the roaring 20's- another period of deregulation, under Andrew Mellon, Sec of the treasury who gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations- and the Policies of Coolidge and then Hoover which where speculation, debt, easy money.....similar to the 'conservative' policies of Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton and reaching a rubicorn under GW Bush before crashing.
Too blame Pelosi or Reid or even Bush is silly- the extreme laissez faire economic policies of the last 30 years are too blame- and now the cleanup begins for a more sustainable economy and reform of health care that was needed decades ago.
And the whining of a few is preventing Congress from passing anything ? I didn't know a minority of whiners held so much power over Congress. You give much credit and power to the few Republicans in Congress.
Who's talking about Congress? The haplessly flailing right-wing extends much further than those few retrograde Republicans who somehow still cling to a place on Capitol Hill. That little clique hasn't managed to stop anything. Obama has gotten everything that he wanted out of Congress, when and in the way that he wanted it. S-CHIP, ARRA, the FY2009 omnibus spending bill, the FY2010 budget, reorganization of the auto industry, protection for the financial industry both at home and abroad, credit card reform, regulation of tobacco and CO2, billions to support the IMF, cap and trade, health care reform, and soon, immigration. The Republicans are still reeling from their own famed Listening Tour last Spring where a noted party leader concluded that Republican problems at the polls were due to the party's not having any policies that were relevant to the 21st century. Well, guess what...they still don't. A tiny band of blowhard huffers and puffers in Congress, they've got. A beleaguered disinformation media desperately struggling to come up with still more lies and misrepresentations, they've got. Gaggles of the disinformed ready to engage on cue in spoiled-brat screaming and whining, they've got. Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and Dick Armey acting as the string-pulling puppeteer for extreme-right corporate mega-money, they've got. The list pretty much ends there.
called out his critics in Congress for blasting Democratic attempts to overhaul health care without proposing solutions of their own.
That is such BS. Critics (and even some supporters) of the current proposal have been offering alternatives and have alternatives ready and waiting. The problem is that Pelosi, Reid, and probably Obama aren't interested in any alternatives and want what they want, so what Obama is really saying is "grab your mop and mop exactly like I do" not offer realistic or better options for debate.
It never ceases to amaze me how champions of so-called diversity want nothing but lockstep thinking, but I guess that's politics as usual.
W had the Economy humming until pelosi and ried came along in 06. right saggy
Well, the Democrats didn't take control in Congress until 2007, and they of course did so at that time thanks to a growing wave of sheer disgust with Republican disgrace and failure, a very large part of which was an economy pushed out of kilter by six years of Bush's ignorant policies of favoring the rich and powerful and simply leaving the middle class to fend for itself. If you think that the economy was EVER humming along under George W Bush, you simply weren't paying any attention.
Newsflash-
1. The deficit is soaring under "your man"
Actually, the projected FY2009 deficit was $1.2 trillion when Obama took office. Over the next eight months plus, it "ballooned" to $1.4 trillion.
But in the larger and more important sense, if ever there were a time to run massive deficits, this would be it. Thanks to Republican bungling, a near-collapse of global credit and financial markets was brought about, and failure to address the problems early on let those problems bleed out into the broader economy, leading to collapses in household demand and in corporate demand. Government demand is all that's left to plug those gaps, and massive deficits are what it takes to supply that demand. Nobody likes running massive deficits, just as nobody likes fighting wars. Bush did both for no reason at all. You could argue over Obama's positions on Afghanistan, but on the deficits, you've got nothing whatsoever to say.
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2. The deficit is the cumulative burden of every president since ww2
No it isn't. It's the annual difference between budget receipts and outlays.
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3. Social programs are the largest part of the budget
Everything the government does is a social program. Social programs are 100% of the budget. What you are possibly trying to refer to are social welfare programs. Those are where there is insufficient profit potential for the private sector to bother doing anything at all about widespread human suffering among our citizens, so we use social programs as a primary means of alleviating that suffering.
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4. Social programs and mandating mortgages to people who could not afford them wrecked the economy
Expenditures in social welfare programs actually generate more economic activity per dollar than almost any other use of funds. That's one reason why there was heavy emphasis on social prgrams in ARRA. There was never any program mandating mortgages to people who could not afford to service them. This is an oft-repeated right-wing falsehood. Merely being oft-repeated does not turn falsehood into truth.
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5. For the millionth time- Clinton ADDED to the deficit- there was no surplus
For the millionth time -- you don't have a clue. The budget deficit and the public debt are two different things. One example: The cash collected by Social Security that is not used to pay current benefits contributes to the unified budget as a receipt. It either increases a budget surplus or diminishes a budget deficit. As they aren't currently needed, those funds are invested in US Treasury securities. All outstanding US Treasury securities are a part of the public debt, hence the public debt goes up. Deficit goes down, debt goes up. Is that too complicated for you?
As for the Clinton surpluses, they all appear as bright as day in every historical series of budget data published in the past eight years. How you can insist that they aren't there is inexplicable, unless you simply haven't bothered to look at the data, or did and decided simply to ignore what you saw there.
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6. The currecny is in the tank and we are headed to default by 2020
Mere wishful thinking on your part.
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7. The new estimates for Bammer's healthcare package, which is supposed to be budget neutral, will result in robbing medicare and raising taxes on "cadillac" healthcare plans from his buddies in the unions (great way to get re-elected there, Saggy) and inicreased income taxes on everyone. All to give insurance to 29 million, which will result in 25 million losing insurance. The man is a genius.
You got lost after the packages are budget neutral. No Medicare robbery will occur, unless you count eliminating insurance company fraud and abuse as robbery, or perhaps it's cost reductions that have been negotiated with hospitals, doctors, and drug and medical device manufacturers that you consider to be theft. Some union health plans could be in the still gray area of what will be taxed under existing proposals. There are worse things. Such as continuing to see overall health care costs increase by 13-15% per year. That will turn a Cadillac into a Yugo right quick. Which income tax on everyone were you talking about? The 29 million is a net number, and the 25 million number is entirely bogus. Whether right-wing flap-jaws like it or not, where no one before him has succeeded at it, Obama will be delivering health care reform, and though it will be only a start at the process, the nation will be much better off for it.
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8. Most Americans do not want Bammer's health care reform. Because you are a provincial limosine liberal and do not get out much, you do not know that.
I don't see how my status, whatever that might be, would have any relevance to the matter at all. This seems to me to be merely a low-life and not at all veiled attempt at sleaze-ball personal attack.
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Overall, Bammer is doing exactly what his master (George Soros) wants- to destroy the financial basis of the US and destroy the middle class. Bammer is a traitor to his country and is working on dismantling the greatest nation ever created to satisfy his internationalist masters. The public is not as dim as you limosine liberals think, Saggy.
It isn't so much dim that concerns me as delusional.
Past year? you have the SUPER MAJORITY and have ZERO ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN 3 YEARS!! Still waiting on you to list one single MAJOR accomplishment of Barrack Insane Obama.
Think of all the things that the spoiled-brat whiners and screamers invested all that energy into whining and screaming about, and then realize that every single one of them has gotten done despite such childishness.
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The biggest mistake in American history was the election of this empty suited moron.
Well, there was Watergate, the Vietnam War, the Alien and Sedition Acts, Japanese internment, the Bay of Pigs, the Palmer raids, and the Embargo Act of 1807. None of those really turned out well. And so far, Obama's Presidency has been like a great oratorio in comparison to the recent and horrendously off-key and out-of-tune efforts made by a certain group of right-wingers to govern. I use that last term loosely of course...
Well, the Democrats didn't take control in Congress until 2007, and they of course did so at that time thanks to a growing wave of sheer disgust with Republican disgrace and failure, a very large part of which was an economy pushed out of kilter by six years of Bush's ignorant policies of favoring the rich and powerful and simply leaving the middle class to fend for itself. If you think that the economy was EVER humming along under George W Bush, you simply weren't paying any attention.
The RE market was rigged to pull in every lower and middle class family that could breathe and put them in a 3000sq ft mcmansion with a mortgage they couldn't afford.
If the middle class were truly left to fend for itself we just might not be where we are today.
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