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So you don't think with Obamacare that they'll say "well for the collective good your medication costs too much when we can treat 10 other people, so sorry!"
I have no problem with helping any relative or friend that comes down with an affliction or disease and ends up struggling. I think that is one thing we have forgotten in this country is our own support systems of friends and family. No faceless bureaucrat is ever going to care for you like you own friends and family.
Even now some health insurance worker can say, "Sorry, even though this medication has proven to work with 99% of the people that have tried it, we won't cover it because it's experimental" or "This drug is $20,000. We will require you to cover 20% of the cost each month."
There have even been times where the company will cover a lower cost drug despite it causing more side effects...which causes the company more money when the policyholder has to go to the ER or their doctor. One woman offered to make up the difference between the higher cost drug and lower cost drug for her daughter (the difference was less than 500 bucks) but the health insurance company refused.
How do you know these things will happen with "Obamacare?" Is there some magic right-wing Crystal ball you have? If so, where did you pick it up?
So you don't think with Obamacare that they'll say "well for the collective good your medication costs too much when we can treat 10 other people, so sorry!"
I have no problem with helping any relative or friend that comes down with an affliction or disease and ends up struggling. I think that is one thing we have forgotten in this country is our own support systems of friends and family. No faceless bureaucrat is ever going to care for you like you own friends and family.
For those who posess a fragile understanding of the fact that most industrialized nations have made universal health care a right, it is unduly rude to make any attempt to convince such folk's otherwise.
I assumed the level of comprehension in my country had slipped a notch or three when it comes to healthcare. I so far remain correct in my assumption. Just the other day a Women was telling me in the most shrill voice, that, "that Obama wants to let older people die off because we can't afford to let them live under this new plan of his", then there's the ones who are feeling mighty smug in the fact that "I got mine", and, "I pay plenty for it", "I EARN it."(by working for less)
The problem is for most people, that they will not read the entire proposal to see how it will really affect them and their families. Nor will they get some advice from other than those God's of bluster TV, Glenn and Rush. I had a good health plan when I worked because we were organized.
We were Unionized and got what we demanded in order not to be subjected to the impossible high cost of care. When you don't have a union, or if you don't work for a large concern you'll no doubt end up with no coverage, part time workers, and transient workers, don't get much in the way of health care coverage. Yes............I'll be waiting for the huge crowds of people who will quit their jobs over all this..........Oh, the hell of it all.
Even now some health insurance worker can say, "Sorry, even though this medication has proven to work with 99% of the people that have tried it, we won't cover it because it's experimental" or "This drug is $20,000. We will require you to cover 20% of the cost each month."
There have even been times where the company will cover a lower cost drug despite it causing more side effects...which causes the company more money when the policyholder has to go to the ER or their doctor. One woman offered to make up the difference between the higher cost drug and lower cost drug for her daughter (the difference was less than 500 bucks) but the health insurance company refused.
How do you know these things will happen with "Obamacare?" Is there some magic right-wing Crystal ball you have? If so, where did you pick it up?
And why do you think it won't ? Do you think the government has an endless supply of money ?
Go to any universal health care system in the world, Canada, UK, etc. Don't care pick one.
They have "managed care". The government sets limits and rules on #'s of treatments and care. Try to get an MRI in Canada for instance.
This belief that with Obamacare you'll be able to get whatever you want, whenever you want is total fiction and people that believe that nonsense are in for a radical dose of reality someday.
My family lives in France, my dad went to college in Canada. Most of my family is abroad. I dealt with managed care before. MUCH better than our current system.
Yeah, better than my uncle having to die since he was denied treatment altogether (this was despite having insurance).
It's obvious to me that those that oppose any form of a public option or universal health are simply don't understand. So that's fine. I hope that you don't go through what me and my family went through. If you ever end up in an unfair situation that results in death, or financial hardship...then you might understand the situation a little more.
You seem like the people that don't understand the abstract. Rather you can only understand issues that directly affect you. We shouldn't base policy in such a manner. There is always a possibility that you may one day end up in such a situation...
We were Unionized and got what we demanded in order not to be subjected to the impossible high cost of care.
How does that work out when the business folds and moves because of the high cost of those union contracts?
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It's obvious to me that those that oppose any form of a public option or universal health are simply don't understand.
We understand perfectly. We know the government CANNOT run anything without going into the red, there are numerous examples of this. We know if they say it will cost a trillion, more likely it will be 3, 4 ,5 ten times as much, there are numerous examples of this. We know the problems in the current system DO NOT justify a government takover of HC, 1/6 th of our economy.
We know that obama/dem/libs are just using the PO as a path to single-payer - they have admitted this, we have their own words.
We know the government CANNOT run anything without going into the red
Just look to Social Security. They had years upon years of surplus social security tax revenue. All those years of baby boomers putting into the system while only a tiny fraction of it was being drawn out.
What did they do with the surplus? Put it in the general fund and spent it.
Even if I agreed with the brand of health care reform that is being proposed, our government is not to be trusted with something this big. And I'm not even splitting hairs between democrats and republicans. The waste and irresponsibility is present on both sides.
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