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Old 10-19-2009, 02:49 PM
 
Location: OB
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What happened to:
Iraq
North Korea
Problem solved in Iraq. N.Korea is contained.

We'll see about Iran. Sanctions will work about as well as they did with N.Korea and besides, China and Russia will not support sactions. Iran is a paper tiger, it has no air force or navy. It's hard to imagine Iran trying to shut down the Strait of Hormuz as they import nearly ~60% of their gasoline - they cannot domestically refine crude into gas, they need international shipping to meet their internal demand. If they try to shut down Hormuz, interanal riots will result from their gas shortage and food shortages too. We already scrimmaged with the Persians during the 80's when we totally annihilated their navy: Operation Praying Mantis. Their military is not much of a threat to ours and we could completely handle them from the air alone.

Romney's correct - don't negotiate with terrorists or those who financially support terrorism.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:38 PM
 
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That's right Peggy "Jew Watch" Anne, ONE BIG ASS MUSHROOM CLOUD!
obo,
Yea. But not only a JewWatcher. She uses other well-known neo-Nazi sources. And she has disseminated them on this forum.
It's a shame.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Iran had a Democracy before the U.S screwed it up for them...did you know that? Did Romney know that? When Romney was asked why his son was not in Iraq, his reply was that his son was helping the country by helping him to campaign. What a crock of dung!
It was a stupid question that deserved a stupid answer!
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Oh for G-d's sake, what does Mitt Romney know about international relations? Please. Just more scare tactics from the terrified Right. Meanwhile. . .
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Secret Talks Progress on Illegal Iranian Nuclear Plant - TIME

. . .

The backroom talks began in June, when Iranian officials told the International Atomic Energy Agency their country was running out of fuel for an aging research reactor built for the Shah in 1967 by American technicians. Iran sought the IAEA's help in buying more of the specially manufactured plates of enriched uranium used in the reactor to produce isotopes for cancer treatment, X-rays and insecticides. The IAEA, in turn, discussed the request with the U.S.

. . .

In early July, Obama traveled to Moscow, where his top nonproliferation aide, Gary Samore, floated a proposal to the Russians: If Iran would agree to export a supply of LEU to Moscow, the Russians could enrich it to the level needed to power the research reactor, and then the French, who had been brought into the discussions, could turn it into the specialized plates that are used to produce the isotopes. The plates, which Iran does not have the capacity to turn into weapons-grade uranium, would then be sent back to Tehran. "The Russians immediately said, 'Great idea,' " says the senior Administration official.

. . .

The Americans wanted to make sure the Iranians weren't going to pull a fast one and persuade the Russians to get the material for the research-reactor fuel from a source other than Iran's own stockpile. When President Obama met with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev in New York City at the U.N. General Assembly in late September, he pressed the Russian to "confirm at the level of the President that this whole deal hinged on it being Iran providing the fuel," says the senior Administration official. The official says Medvedev agreed.

. . .
We'll know sometime soon how the talks are progressing. There was actually a meeting in Vienna today, to determine the details of the transfer. Romney needs to just shut the hell up and let this administration continue to do its job.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Iran had a Democracy before the U.S screwed it up for them...did you know that? Did Romney know that? When Romney was asked why his son was not in Iraq, his reply was that his son was helping the country by helping him to campaign. What a crock of dung!
It always had a Shah and a prime minister and it wasn't the US who initiated the coup, it was the Brits.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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Mitt Romney has a message for the Obama administration: Stop talking to Iran. Period.

"The Iranian leadership is the greatest immediate threat to the world since the fall of the Soviet Union, and before that, Nazi Germany," Romney said in a speech Monday to the pro-Israel group AIPAC at their national summit in San Diego, according to excerpts provided to CNN.

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com
Tough words by ol' Mitt! Too bad the company he founded though didn't mind doing deals with the most dangerous country since the USSR.
Daily Kos: Despite Own Iran Follies, Romney Blames Obama for Election Fraud

Romney joined Boston-based Bain & Co., a management consulting firm, in 1978 and worked there until 1984. He was CEO of Bain Capital, a venture capital firm, from 1984 to 1999, despite a two-year return as Bain & Co.'s chief executive officer from 1991 to 1992.

Bain & Co. Italy, described in company literature as "the Italian branch of Bain & Co.," received a $2.3 million contract from the National Iranian Oil Co., in September 2004. Its task was to develop a master plan so NIOC -- the state oil company of Iran -- could become one of the world's top oil companies, according to Iranian and U.S. news accounts of the deal.

Bain Capital, the venture capital firm that Romney started and made him a multimillionaire, teamed up with the Haier Group, a Chinese appliance maker that has a factory in Iran, in an unsuccessful 2005 buyout effort.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:07 PM
 
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Problem solved in Iraq.
Too funny!

Problem doesn't exist, make problem, get stuck in problem, 4,265 dead, 30,182 wounded later and the problem is solved...

Iran hegemony in region secured with a pro-Iranian government safely (for the time being) installed in Iraq.

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N.Korea is contained.
Yeah, until their next episode of saber rattling sends you scurrying to this forum to scream up and down about Obama, Obama, Obama selling American security down the road... etc, etc.

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We'll see about Iran. Sanctions will work about as well as they did with N.Korea
Now I am confused. Unless I missed the invasion and unless you were lying when you stated that Korea was contained, how else did that containment that you allege come to be?

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Iran is a paper tiger, it has no air force or navy.
Iraq was a paper tiger. Hmm, with half of Iran's population and a country five times smaller than Iran which took 6 years to bring to some state of stable instability.

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It's hard to imagine Iran trying to shut down the Strait of Hormuz as they import nearly ~60% of their gasoline - they cannot domestically refine crude into gas, they need international shipping to meet their internal demand.
Hmmm, I wonder whose economy is more vulnerable to a stoppage of the flow of oil, the west or Iran...

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Romney's correct - don't negotiate with terrorists or those who financially support terrorism.
Romney is just another no-nothing pontificating Republican with big hair.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Iran had a Democracy before the U.S screwed it up for them...did you know that? Did Romney know that? When Romney was asked why his son was not in Iraq, his reply was that his son was helping the country by helping him to campaign. What a crock of dung!
I was reading about the Shah the other day, too. I think the US leaders are too interfering. I have neighbors that I don't like, but I am not about to aim a cannon at them because of what they "might" be planning. US actions are far more disconcerting than Iran's. Is it too much to ask to stay home, Uncle Sam ? Aunt Samantha wouldn't be so bellicose ! She wouldn't lie awake worrying about men in turbans, or phallo missles. She would be more practical.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:50 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Turn the place into one huge sand pile and be done with it.

No matter what Obama will make the wrong decision. So far he has yet to make a good solid decision and this is no different.

Time will tell if Obama is making the correct choices.

If anything happens at that involves Iran it will have Obamas hands all over it.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:56 PM
 
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Iran will eventually obtain nuclear weapons. A smarter approach is to allow them access with an explicit understanding that any use against America or it's allies will result in immediate and complete destruction. Then we just sit back and hope they don't believe us.
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