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Old 10-20-2009, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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Obama is sure getting a beating in the polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com_presidential_tracking_pol l

Personally, I like Rasmussen, because it polls "likely" voters and its baseline included a few more Democrats than Republican for the results. Some polls that don't focus on likely voters give a slight boost. But the likely voter poll is a pretty good gauge, because it more represents how the voters are deciding at present.

The bad image in the poll have been consistent, seen on this trends page. It's linked from the daily index page too, but here's the link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/_index_history

Obama's number crashed pretty bad some weeks back when he negatively criticized the Cambridge police. Lately it seems to be several issues. Over 50% of Americans polled don't like the government health care plan. Closer to 40% are for it. Some polls even lower than forty. That's likely the biggest issue, with indecision in Aghanistan and resigning Czars, etc., coming in behind.

One issue that I'd be curious to know about, is how people feel about increased unimployment. Obama wanted to rush the stimulus bill without anybody really understanding the content months ago. His administration said that without it, unemployment would go up to like 9%, but with the stimulus, would drop to near 8%. The opposite happened. The stimulus was rammed through, and unemployment shot up over 9%, closer to 10% than 9. How much that lurks in the mind of the average person, I'm not sure.

Here is a graph that shows several months, including more recently

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:18 PM
 
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I suspect that all of Obama\'s clocks are either in the White House of Chicago..
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:36 PM
 
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Over 50% of Americans polled don't like the government health care plan. Closer to 40% are for it. Some polls even lower than forty. That's likely the biggest issue, with indecision in Aghanistan and resigning Czars, etc., coming in behind.
Which government health plan would that be?

The proposals? Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds

"On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)

If a public plan were run by the states and available only to those who lack affordable private options, support for it jumps to 76 percent. Under those circumstances, even a majority of Republicans, 56 percent, would be in favor of it, about double their level of support without such a limitation.

Fifty-six percent of those polled back a provision mandating that all Americans buy insurance, either through their employers or on their own or through Medicare or Medicaid. That number rises to 71 percent if the government were to provide subsidies for many lower-income Americans to help them buy coverage. With those qualifiers, a majority of Republicans say they support the mandate."

This last bit is interesting - more Republicans will support a mandate if the government will subsidize low-income Americans? Isn't that government spending, taking tax dollars from hard-working Americans and redistributing it?
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Please, please, don't rely on that skewed, biased poll - 51-39% in favor of the democrats.

Obviously, they needed that big of a gap to get the results they were looking for.

Here's three more;

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...rasmussen.html

Gallup in there too - down to 50%.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Obama is sure getting a beating in the polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com_presidential_tracking_pol l

Personally, I like Rasmussen, because it polls "likely" voters and its baseline included a few more Democrats than Republican for the results. Some polls that don't focus on likely voters give a slight boost. But the likely voter poll is a pretty good gauge, because it more represents how the voters are deciding at present.

The bad image in the poll have been consistent, seen on this trends page. It's linked from the daily index page too, but here's the link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/_index_history

Obama's number crashed pretty bad some weeks back when he negatively criticized the Cambridge police. Lately it seems to be several issues. Over 50% of Americans polled don't like the government health care plan. Closer to 40% are for it. Some polls even lower than forty. That's likely the biggest issue, with indecision in Aghanistan and resigning Czars, etc., coming in behind.

One issue that I'd be curious to know about, is how people feel about increased unimployment. Obama wanted to rush the stimulus bill without anybody really understanding the content months ago. His administration said that without it, unemployment would go up to like 9%, but with the stimulus, would drop to near 8%. The opposite happened. The stimulus was rammed through, and unemployment shot up over 9%, closer to 10% than 9. How much that lurks in the mind of the average person, I'm not sure.

Here is a graph that shows several months, including more recently

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

Actually 'likely voter' polls this far out are extremely poor indicators. If it was close in to either a Midterm Election or Presidential election than the likely voter model is fine. However, this far out a likely voter model just simply is poor because no one can come out with an accurate model more than a year from a midterm and 3 years out from a Presidential election.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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Which government health plan would that be?

The proposals? Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds
That's not really the health care bill or plan.

Probably 90% of the nation would want health care reform. That's not what congress and Obama are working on though.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:46 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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And it will get much worse for Obama.

With his horrible decision making, huge mistakes, lack of wisdom he is really struggling with this job.

His stimulus put this country into huge debt and the main purpose was to create millions of new jobs, well so far no WMD's, ooops, I mean jobs!

So no jobs means all the things that goes with no jobs, in fact Obama has lost 7 million jobs since he took over.

With that comes the record number of foreclosures, bankruptcies etc.

Without jobs people will lose homes, cars etc in record numbers.

ALL of this was suppose to be fixed with the massive debt and check writing by Obama.

He is a lame duck before his first year is even up, nothing he has done has worked and now no one trust him. People simply have lost faith in him because he has trouble making a good decision and now is trying to change America from the inside out and people are not allowing him to do that.

Like it or not, Obama is a total and utter failure.

He was never ready for this job and boy is it showing.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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And it will get much worse for Obama.

With his horrible decision making, huge mistakes, lack of wisdom he is really struggling with this job.

His stimulus put this country into huge debt and the main purpose was to create millions of new jobs, well so far no WMD's, ooops, I mean jobs!

So no jobs means all the things that goes with no jobs, in fact Obama has lost 7 million jobs since he took over.

With that comes the record number of foreclosures, bankruptcies etc.

Without jobs people will lose homes, cars etc in record numbers.

ALL of this was suppose to be fixed with the massive debt and check writing by Obama.

He is a lame duck before his first year is even up, nothing he has done has worked and now no one trust him. People simply have lost faith in him because he has trouble making a good decision and now is trying to change America from the inside out and people are not allowing him to do that.

Like it or not, Obama is a total and utter failure.

He was never ready for this job and boy is it showing.
Please DM me with the name of your crystal ball dealer.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Well, one of his "tzars" putting Mother Teresa next to Chairman Mao in the same sentence (also showing her admiration for the former Chinese leader), and then another one of his tzars talking in a similar manner about Mao... won't help Obama.

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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That's not really the health care bill or plan.

Probably 90% of the nation would want health care reform. That's not what congress and Obama are working on though.

Liberals do not understand this.

When you talk REFORM they liberals believe it is what they are working on and it is NOT.

This is why some lie about it to make it appear that it is. When some post polls about the majority wanting HC reform they call it the HC bill in congress.

Two completely different things.

The fact is the majority of us want cost reform, none of these bills will do that.

The fact is the majority of us do NOT want any of these current bills passed as they are written.

The fact is the bill the liberals are working on behind closed doors will cost us trillions of new debt just to give a few healthcare and screw over those who like what they have.

Obama is quickly losing any touch he had. Even some of his followers are having doubts about him.

Not only has he not fixed a damn thing, he has made this country worse and almost defenseless at the same time.
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