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I will say it again i can not prove the scarcity or abundance of the earth's natural resources anymore than i can prove or disprove the existence of GOD!
I dare anyone to try! Let the challenge begin
Well then we shouldn't waste any time, but triple (or even quadruple) the number of mines and oil wells we dig. How else are we ever going to find out how much of the stuff there is?
Well thought out response. I'll play devil's advocate with it.
Is there is any possibility what you've been told about the above is not purposely manipulated to maintain the very economics we suggest we are attempting to make efficient?
To support the economic system in which a doctors wage is much higher than a plumbers (for example) we purposely mandate and support collusion that artificially creates a low supply of doctors. The opposite is true for plumbers. We create a relatively larger supply then actual demand for their services.
Is this at all possible with natural resources? Do you think to support these two economic systems both capitalism and socialism, those in power might seek to purposely create artificial shortages and oversupplies to maintain the suggested economics systems that promote the concept of scarcity? Does it exist in nature or is it a man made creation?
Is it a known fact we do not have the ability to mine or effectively distribute food to the masses or is this purposely done by "those" with "authority" over the masses?
Begs the question if you can prove these concepts as facts, then you should also be able to prove the existence of God with fact.
In a capitalist system like ours, we are the "ones in power". That is what makes America great. We are not (not yet, anyway) beholden to any power other than the government. That government is, in theory, a representative government of "we the people". Think of what that means from an effective standpoint.
In a totalitarian regime or even a strong socialist system, one might be able to control supply or demand. Think 20 cent gas in Venezuela or $9 gas in Europe. Those are examples of "those in power" altering the normal supply and demand curve to affect social policy. In a capitalist system that won't fly.
The concept of scarcity is not created; it a mathematical function of the collective resources [supply] and collective desires and demands [demand] of the populace.
We as a society create the shortage of doctors based on our collective demand that only the best and brightest students are accepted to medical school, as well as the collective demand that once there they undergo rigorous training. This is not mandated by the government, but by us collectively as a society. Any government intervention into the process is done via our duly-elected representatives. Again, that is us.
We don't create an oversupply of plumbers. If everyone collectively decided that their plumbing was as important as their health, the supply of plumbers would decrease as the effective barriers to entry into the craft increased. Those barriers include the cognitive ability needed to comprehend advanced plumbing , the financial resources needed to train as a plumber for 10 years, as well as the desire to do so.
These are mathematical functions based on quantifiable sets of data. The population is "n" people. The average IQ is "n". Based on our collective demand, a person would need an IQ of "n" to meet the established criteria demanded of a doctor. A combine can harvest "n" acres of corn per day. Food must be transported after harvest in "n" days or it spoils. One must mine "n" tons of ore to extract "n" grams of gold using "n" gallons of cyanide.
God is intangible, and not quantifiable. That is the mystery of God.
In a capitalist system like ours, we are the "ones in power". That is what makes America great. We are not (not yet, anyway) beholden to any power other than the government. That government is, in theory, a representative government of "we the people". Think of what that means from an effective standpoint.
In a totalitarian regime or even a strong socialist system, one might be able to control supply or demand. Think 20 cent gas in Venezuela or $9 gas in Europe. Those are examples of "those in power" altering the normal supply and demand curve to affect social policy. In a capitalist system that won't fly.
The concept of scarcity is not created; it a mathematical function of the collective resources [supply] and collective desires and demands [demand] of the populace.
We as a society create the shortage of doctors based on our collective demand that only the best and brightest students are accepted to medical school, as well as the collective demand that once there they undergo rigorous training. This is not mandated by the government, but by us collectively as a society. Any government intervention into the process is done via our duly-elected representatives. Again, that is us.
We don't create an oversupply of plumbers. If everyone collectively decided that their plumbing was as important as their health, the supply of plumbers would decrease as the effective barriers to entry into the craft increased. Those barriers include the cognitive ability needed to comprehend advanced plumbing , the financial resources needed to train as a plumber for 10 years, as well as the desire to do so.
These are mathematical functions based on quantifiable sets of data. The population is "n" people. The average IQ is "n". Based on our collective demand, a person would need an IQ of "n" to meet the established criteria demanded of a doctor. A combine can harvest "n" acres of corn per day. Food must be transported after harvest in "n" days or it spoils. One must mine "n" tons of ore to extract "n" grams of gold using "n" gallons of cyanide.
God is intangible, and not quantifiable. That is the mystery of God.
GOPATTA2D, i appreciate your response, but so far you have no proved with fact the worlds resources are scarce.
I'll try and attempt to rely what i'm saying this way through true (yes) false (no) questions.
1. Do you agree and accept the concept of Scarcity as fact or faith?
2. Do you agree and accept the existence of God as fact or faith?
3. Do you have quantifiable evidence at your disposal to prove the concept of Economic Scarcity in relation to Natural Resources? (Empirical evidence that could support how you came to this conclusion?)
4. Do you have quantifiable evidence at your disposal to prove the existence of God? (Empirical evidence that you could use to support how you came to this conclusion?)
5. Does Capitalism deal with the efficient allocation of scarce resources?
6. Does Communism deal with the efficient allocation of scarce resources?
7. Does Capitalism promote abundance or rationing of scarce resources?
8. Does Communism promote abundance or rationing of scarce resources?
9. If neither concept supports economic abundance how can you rationally argue they are different?
10. If you cannot prove the existence of God physically how can you prove the existence of economic scarcity or abundance?
Bonus questions - (A) Do you believe in God, because of physical evidence at your disposal or because someone in "authority" informed you the concept is a truth?
(B) Do you believe in the concept of economic scarcity, because of physical evidence at your disposal or because someone in "authority" informed you the concept is a truth?
Your answers to these questions will help me understand your position much better.
My simple logic brings me to rationalize and conclude, the man who can empirically prove the physical existence of economic scarcity as it relates to natural resources also has the power to prove the physical existence of God.
In my opinion the individual that understands and can prove both without a shred of physical evidence controls those who believe in this theory without ever being forced to offer proof of such grandiose ideas. (Who should provide the burden of proof in either of these cases?)
anyone dare to answer the questions i have raised?
This is CD, people like their one-liners .
Sorry, I have not read all your posts cause I am tired, but e.g. oil is supposed to be scarce and yet even in these days oil is being found. (look at Brazil).
When I grew up they said oil will only last until 2035 or so, and I personally don't believe it. We will improve our technologies to extract the oil that we could not extract so far and we will find new oil springs.
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well species are going extint 1000 times faster than before the industrial revolution..
lots of things getting scarce on planet earth
oil
natural gas
hardwoods like mahogany, teak, snakewood,etc
all kinds of fish
tigers
elaphants
lions
whales
white people
gorilas
chimpanzee just to name a few
things that are overwhelming earth
people
disposable diapers
cockroaches
rats
mice
sewage
air pollution
water pollution
e waste
feel free to add to list, i have to go do some work now and contribute to useing some more resorces like mahogany.. at least i try to get the dead trees. they will make one hell of a kitchen sweet
A free market society lets the markets control demnad and that includes doctors.A controlled market determines what is avilable as it did say in thr USSR.North korea and china which limits what is avilable in practice. look at the difference in south and north korea and then what allowing free market in china has done for its supplies ans economy.One of the worse things about a central controlled market is it stiffles invention and indidual initive whixch has always lower production of goods avialble tot eh public. It also ends up witht eh elite have a completely different market yto buy from as they control who gets what.They alos tend to puiinsh anyone that is a danger to thier elite status .
GOPATTA2D, i appreciate your response, but so far you have no proved with fact the worlds resources are scarce.
I'll try and attempt to rely what i'm saying this way through true (yes) false (no) questions.
1. Do you agree and accept the concept of Scarcity as fact or faith?
2. Do you agree and accept the existence of God as fact or faith?
3. Do you have quantifiable evidence at your disposal to prove the concept of Economic Scarcity in relation to Natural Resources? (Empirical evidence that could support how you came to this conclusion?)
4. Do you have quantifiable evidence at your disposal to prove the existence of God? (Empirical evidence that you could use to support how you came to this conclusion?)
5. Does Capitalism deal with the efficient allocation of scarce resources?
6. Does Communism deal with the efficient allocation of scarce resources?
7. Does Capitalism promote abundance or rationing of scarce resources?
8. Does Communism promote abundance or rationing of scarce resources?
9. If neither concept supports economic abundance how can you rationally argue they are different?
10. If you cannot prove the existence of God physically how can you prove the existence of economic scarcity or abundance?
Bonus questions - (A) Do you believe in God, because of physical evidence at your disposal or because someone in "authority" informed you the concept is a truth?
(B) Do you believe in the concept of economic scarcity, because of physical evidence at your disposal or because someone in "authority" informed you the concept is a truth?
Your answers to these questions will help me understand your position much better.
My simple logic brings me to rationalize and conclude, the man who can empirically prove the physical existence of economic scarcity as it relates to natural resources also has the power to prove the physical existence of God.
In my opinion the individual that understands and can prove both without a shred of physical evidence controls those who believe in this theory without ever being forced to offer proof of such grandiose ideas. (Who should provide the burden of proof in either of these cases?)
The above questions are some of the toughest questions to answer, because there is not a single individual citizen in the world, with enough knowledge and specialized skills to even be remotely accurate. It is like forcing the Pope to provide physical evidence that God does exist. It is like asking him to move beyond faith and show us the proof. I'd at least be interested in someone giving their best shot at the questions above.
-Dorock99
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