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Because the Brainwashed Worshippers of the Wealthy believe the Wealthy will give them jobs and save them.
They haven't noticed that the Wealthy have NOT created jobs, that their Worshippers are NOT being saved .
They bought the fallacy that helping the Wealthy helps everyone...it doesn't/didn't/won't/ work...but they Worship blindly and the Wealthy sure appreciate it
SOME even believe the Wealthy ARE taxed more than average Americans!!!!!!!
I agree with you.
Overall, I am all for keeping taxes as low as possible. But if taxes must be taken. They should be taken from the wealthiest people first, and the poorest people last. It only makes sense.
And you're right, lo of these very wealthy people are not creating jobs. And I do hear a lot of people parroting with GW Bush and Reagan have said in the past.
I am considered a liberal and a democrat by most people, at least around here. That being said while I do believe the wealthier should be taxed more somewhat I do also believe there is a limit. There seems to be this big misconception out there that because I am a "liberal" (when in reality I am just slightly left of the middle I would say) that I am anti-capitilism, anti-rich, and that I am for all these free handouts for people that do not need it or deserve it. I also think we need to get rid of all the tax loopholes that are out there. All the writeoffs are ridiculous because when on paper someone says they are in the 50% tax bracket, in reality they are paying much less taxes very often less than the people in the 30% tax bracket. So no more writing off the interest on that multimillion dollar home or the $200K home home either. No more tax credits for the 3-4 kids in the household, etc. I know it is all much more complicated that that and my numbers aren't accurate but you get my point.
This is getting off topic I guess but in reality I think I am just more of a realist. It makes me just as angry to see people taking advantage of the system. It makes me angry when perfectly capable people are sitting on their rearends doing nothing productive for society. At the same time, I realize that lazy SOBs are going to be lazy SOBs whether we give them money or not. Only those lazy SOBs, if just booted to the curb are the ones that will steal and commit violence and that does no good for society. Why not give them $15K a year rather than fork out $50K/year to put them in jail because they would rather steal than actual work for what they own (i'm just throwing out numbers but you get the pictures).
In addition, I do believe there is fraud and I hate it jsut as much as the most conservative of the conservatives. I am for curbing that fraud as much as possible. At the same time, just as a business accepts that some fraud (retail business account for a certain dollar amount being shoplifted) will happen they also realize that it just doesn't make sense to spend a billion dollars a year rehauling a system to prevent fraud to save 30 million dollars a year. We do what we can to cost effectively minimize that fraud without spending more than we would save. People want government run like a business, and well that is how a business is run.
I was looking at another thread. Someone suggested that the very wealthy should be taxed more. Lots of people agreed, but a lot of people were against the idea.
Why would you possibly be against this idea? I doubt many people on this forum fall into the category of being very wealthy, so why should you be against the idea?
And if you ARE very wealthy, then you should pay up a little bit more money. Do not be greedy, if you care about America it seems as though you would not mind paying a little bit more of your riches to help the USA prosper.
The rich are ones who can afford it. Low income workers in America are simply unable to take on any more expenses. They are already stretched to the limits financially, and they are already paying quite a lot of taxes. Taxes must come from SOMEWHERE, the rich have gotten lots of new tax breaks over the past few decades. We must start taxing them more once again. Bring it back to where it was at around the 70s and 60s.
So.... why shouldn't the rich be taxed more?
The richest 1% already pay 36% of all taxes, while the bottom 48% pay no taxes. In fact many on the bottom of the income ladder pay negative taxes, in other words they receive money.
It is a punish the successful, reward the failures system and that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I was looking at another thread. Someone suggested that the very wealthy should be taxed more. Lots of people agreed, but a lot of people were against the idea.
Why would you possibly be against this idea? I doubt many people on this forum fall into the category of being very wealthy, so why should you be against the idea?
And if you ARE very wealthy, then you should pay up a little bit more money. Do not be greedy, if you care about America it seems as though you would not mind paying a little bit more of your riches to help the USA prosper.
The rich are ones who can afford it. Low income workers in America are simply unable to take on any more expenses. They are already stretched to the limits financially, and they are already paying quite a lot of taxes. Taxes must come from SOMEWHERE, the rich have gotten lots of new tax breaks over the past few decades. We must start taxing them more once again. Bring it back to where it was at around the 70s and 60s.
So.... why shouldn't the rich be taxed more?
Huh? The wealthy ARE paying 36% Federal tax... thats almost 100% more than what most people pay... as of the tax rates now, almost HALF THE COUNTRY pays ZERO taxes... are they "helping" America then and this shows how much they "care"? When did paying more taxes equal "caring" more about America? Are you saying that if you work more, put more in effort and education, become successful through your OWN work... you should pay more? Huh? This is what you think is fair? I guess people like you who like having other people's money without working for it... oh yeah, socialists...
Fair is fair... if they put in the effort and education to become successful then that's what is rightfully theirs... just because you don't have any of the attributes of success doesn't mean you have a right to steal their money...
Huh? The wealthy ARE paying 36% Federal tax... thats almost 100% more than what most people pay... as of the tax rates now, almost HALF THE COUNTRY pays ZERO taxes... are they "helping" America then and this shows how much they "care"? When did paying more taxes equal "caring" more about America? Are you saying that if you work more, put more in effort and education, become successful through your OWN work... you should pay more? Huh? This is what you think is fair? I guess people like you who like having other people's money without working for it... oh yeah, socialists...
Gee, you don't sound like a partisan hack at all
Liberal and conservative tools are both ignorant. But the conservative side is giving the liberals a major run for their money in the ignorance department.
This forum is just full of partisan goons. Cheering for their side like it's two teams in a football game.
I was looking at another thread. Someone suggested that the very wealthy should be taxed more. Lots of people agreed, but a lot of people were against the idea.
Why would you possibly be against this idea? I doubt many people on this forum fall into the category of being very wealthy, so why should you be against the idea?
And if you ARE very wealthy, then you should pay up a little bit more money. Do not be greedy, if you care about America it seems as though you would not mind paying a little bit more of your riches to help the USA prosper.
The rich are ones who can afford it. Low income workers in America are simply unable to take on any more expenses. They are already stretched to the limits financially, and they are already paying quite a lot of taxes. Taxes must come from SOMEWHERE, the rich have gotten lots of new tax breaks over the past few decades. We must start taxing them more once again. Bring it back to where it was at around the 70s and 60s.
So.... why shouldn't the rich be taxed more?
My answer is summed up fairly simple : Passive income - tax more, linear income - tax less.
The "rich" tends to earn a majority of its wealth through passive means, the "rest of us" do so in linear fashion.
Last edited by Blue Grass Fever; 10-27-2009 at 07:59 AM..
Reason: grammar
Rsprow the rich are really the government. They have purchased policyand have been for quite some time. As a result policies that have been put forth have strangled the middle class while deepening the pockets/ profits of the Corp. Government is fine if it is indeed not sold out to the highest bidder. Just lookat the public option in the healthcare bills and the seeming opposition. 65% uf the population wants it. Insurance companies do not and those most strongly opposed in our government are those that receive the most from insurance companies.
Those with the most have wielded ther power for too long and their greed has gotten out of control. It amazes me those that oppose limiting obscene CEO incomes that are just that obscene! Since that would only apply to companies tht we the people bailed out it only makes sense that we the people through our arm which is the government wield somesort of control and restraint.
Government is not the problem what is the problem is the segment with the largest wealth controlling policy at the behest of the rest of the countries citizens.
Thanks for agreeing with me, I think.
The problem with going after business and not going after government should be obvious. They are PARTNERS in the evils that you want to eliminate!
Everything you want to stop has been made possible because your government made it so. That is why there should be NO preferential law. Making more laws is just silly as the government/business collusion will still continue. There is no logic to siding with one criminal over another if you will still be the victim. Eliminate the special powers that business has under the law and eliminate the ability of government to write preferential law. That is the best, and most just, that can possibly be done in a world of imperfect humans.
Here, let's try looking at this from another perspective. (And this should interest those who are complete worshippers of collectivism and tyranny.)
Suppose that every business was abolished. The government ran every industry. Who then would be the evil boss, the evil big business, the evil rich guy? It would still be the government writing the preferential law creating all of the social ills that people complain about.
What is justice? It is simply fairness right? Doesn't fairness mean that everyone is treated equally? How can this happen in an environment where government is superior to man? How can this happen when it can write preferential law? It can't. And it can never be just.
Now suppose that this impossible "just" government was staffed by divine and perfect beings. (That is what most people assume anyway ) It planned out a perfect idealized economy (for whom one can only fear) for everyone. Would not the real evil rich who own the Federal Reserve still be counterfeiting our currency? Would they still not dictate what our legislators put into law? Of course they would. It is in their interest to manipulate the system that they own for their best interest.
What you see in America is the result of what the owners of the Federal Reserve have planned for us. Nothing more and nothing less. The government, the big businesses, the evil rich are mere tools of their masters. They have a private monopoly of "our" currency and they can destroy anyone who does not willingly obey their commands.
All I was trying to do with my earlier post was to point out the futility of going after the mere tools of the Morgans. We have to rid ourselves of the Morgans FIRST. Than we can have rational discussion about changing things. Until the real elite in power are removed, everything else is simply wasted effort and completely ineffectual at changing anything. (Although it feels good to go after other victims )
Liberal and conservative tools are both ignorant. But the conservative side is giving the liberals a major run for their money in the ignorance department.
This forum is just full of partisan goons. Cheering for their side like it's two teams in a football game.
That's what you do when you are on a losing side of an argument? Turn it into politics? No surprises there when you want a real argument... you turn tail and run and try to hide your defeat with political mumbo jumbo...
My answer is summed up fairly simply : Passive income - tax more, linear income - tax less.
The "rich" tends to earn a majority of its wealth through passive means, the "rest of us" do so in linear fashion.
That sounds like a good idea... work more and better should always reward itself... unlike these socialists who think stealing is a better idea... They don't like to work cause the work they do isn't that valuable...
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