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Old 11-08-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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An interesting take on the House passage of health 'reform' from Legal Insurrection.

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Joe Lieberman threw a healthy dose of water on the Pelosi-Reid-Obama health care fire this morning, reiterating that he will join in a Republican filibuster of any Senate health care bill which contains a public option. This is at least the second time in recent days Lieberman has made this commitment, and there is every reason to believe he means it.

Keep in mind, Nancy Pelosi cut a deal to get her health care bill through the House by allowing a floor vote on the Stupak Amendment, which reiterates existing federal law banning federal funding for abortions, and takes that law several steps further by requiring any health plan which participates in the newly established exchanges to offer competing plans, one which covers abortion and one which does not. The Stupak Amendment makes clear that any plan offering abortion coverage must be self-funding, with no federal funds used directly or indirectly. As many left-wing bloggers are screaming, the Stupak Amendment guts Roe v. Wade in reality (but not in law) by creating a subclass of health insurance coverage which will cost more and be less available than alternatives without abortion coverage.

So Harry Reid needs to drop the public option to get a bill through the Senate. Nancy Pelosi needs to drop abortion coverage even for most private plans, to get a bill through the House.

The end result: If a bill is to pass both houses of Congress, it will have no public option and no abortion coverage.
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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I agree. I was amused to get an automated email this morning, "from Barack Obama", telling me that history had been made and encouraging me to help the Democrats continue the fight if only with a $5.00 contribution.

"This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.

But you and millions of your fellow supporters didn't just witness history tonight -- you helped make it. Each "yes" vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls. You stood up. You spoke up. And you were heard.

So this is a night to celebrate -- but not to rest. Those who voted for reform deserve our thanks, and the next phase of this fight has already begun.

The final Senate bill hasn't even been released yet, but the insurance companies are already pressing hard for a filibuster to bury it. The Democratic Party and Organizing for America have built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people's voices to Congress, and tonight we saw the results. But the coming days will put our efforts to the ultimate test. Winning will require each of us to give everything we can, starting right now.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight.

Tonight's vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.

Even after last year's election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn't like. Now, they're desperate. Because, tonight, you made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing -- and the people will not be ignored.

In the final phases of last year's election, I often reminded folks, "Don't think for a minute that power concedes without a fight," and it's especially true today. But that's okay -- we're not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.

Please donate to OFA's campaign to win this fight and ensure that real health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:

http://my.democrats.org/MakingHistory

Let's keep making history,

President Barack Obama"

Last edited by pommysmommy; 11-08-2009 at 03:16 PM.. Reason: added text of email
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I agree. I was amused to get an automated email this morning, "from Barack Obama", telling me that history had been made and encouraging me to help the Democrats continue the fight if only with a $5.00 contribution.

"This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.

But you and millions of your fellow supporters didn't just witness history tonight -- you helped make it. Each "yes" vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls. You stood up. You spoke up. And you were heard.

So this is a night to celebrate -- but not to rest. Those who voted for reform deserve our thanks, and the next phase of this fight has already begun.

The final Senate bill hasn't even been released yet, but the insurance companies are already pressing hard for a filibuster to bury it. The Democratic Party and Organizing for America have built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people's voices to Congress, and tonight we saw the results. But the coming days will put our efforts to the ultimate test. Winning will require each of us to give everything we can, starting right now.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight.

Tonight's vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.

Even after last year's election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn't like. Now, they're desperate. Because, tonight, you made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing -- and the people will not be ignored.

In the final phases of last year's election, I often reminded folks, "Don't think for a minute that power concedes without a fight," and it's especially true today. But that's okay -- we're not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.

Please donate to OFA's campaign to win this fight and ensure that real health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:

http://my.democrats.org/MakingHistory

Let's keep making history,

President Barack Obama"
I guess I won't feel so bad when right leaning groups ask me for money anymore since that sounded exactly the same with the constant plea for more and more money. Ain't it something how money an buy so many things?
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:17 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Originally Posted by pommysmommy View Post
I agree. I was amused to get an automated email this morning, "from Barack Obama", telling me that history had been made and encouraging me to help the Democrats continue the fight if only with a $5.00 contribution.

"This evening, at 11:15 p.m., the House of Representatives voted to pass their health insurance reform bill. Despite countless attempts over nearly a century, no chamber of Congress has ever before passed comprehensive health reform. This is history.

But you and millions of your fellow supporters didn't just witness history tonight -- you helped make it. Each "yes" vote was a brave stand, backed up by countless hours of knocking on doors, outreach in town halls and town squares, millions of signatures, and hundreds of thousands of calls. You stood up. You spoke up. And you were heard.

So this is a night to celebrate -- but not to rest. Those who voted for reform deserve our thanks, and the next phase of this fight has already begun.

The final Senate bill hasn't even been released yet, but the insurance companies are already pressing hard for a filibuster to bury it. The Democratic Party and Organizing for America have built a massive neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation to bring people's voices to Congress, and tonight we saw the results. But the coming days will put our efforts to the ultimate test. Winning will require each of us to give everything we can, starting right now.

Please donate $5 or whatever you can afford so we can finish this fight.

Tonight's vote brought every American closer to the secure, affordable care we need. But it was also a watershed moment in how change is made.

Even after last year's election, many insider lobbyists and partisan operatives really thought that the old formula of scare tactics, D.C. back-scratching and special-interest money would still be enough to block any idea they didn't like. Now, they're desperate. Because, tonight, you made it crystal clear: the old rules are changing -- and the people will not be ignored.

In the final phases of last year's election, I often reminded folks, "Don't think for a minute that power concedes without a fight," and it's especially true today. But that's okay -- we're not afraid of a fight. And as you continue to prove, when all of us work together, we have what it takes to win.

Please donate to OFA's campaign to win this fight and ensure that real health reform reaches my desk by the end of this year:

http://my.democrats.org/MakingHistory

Let's keep making history,

President Barack Obama"
Maybe he meant making history as having the record for most foreclosures, bankruptcies, deaths in Afghanistan and on an Army base on our soil under his watch.

Obama lied about this HC and is getting a free ride of course.

I hope this all fails on its face and the dems eat crow.

Pelosi is jumping for joy and it would be nice to send her packing without any baggage other then on her chin.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:31 PM
 
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Whatever the final result, it'll still be more than Republicans did for health care costs during the 12 years they controlled Congress.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Whatever the final result, it'll still be more than Republicans did for health care costs during the 12 years they controlled Congress.
no it wont,, the dems are exactly the same

is does NOTHING to lower health CARE costs

is doesnt even lower health INSURANCE costs

and remember INSURANCE is NOT CARE

the only thing this house bill does is ADD TO THE cost of middleclass america,,its just more of "let"s get rid of the middlecalls and have only rich and poor"

it does nothing about the doctor/nurse shortage in america
it does nothing....2000 pages and all BS

they could have had a 4 page bill that took care of the whole thing:....
1. raised the threshhold for mediciad (a singlepayer system)(ie. raise the threshhold to 200% or 400% of poverty) that would have taken care of the 20 million withouts....
2. banned pre-existing conditions....
3. mandated all insurance companies be 'national' (ie portable) systems....
4. get rid of unnecessary law suits( not legit ones, but the BS ones)...this would be for all, not just medical (ie like the woman who sued mcdonalds because she put the hot coffee in her crotch and then got burned,,,gee lady, you think coffee is hot or what)
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Washington
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So now City Data is a forum where far righties repost random blogspot blogs as if other care?

If we wanted to read joeschmo@blogspot's rantboard, we would go do his site. Why bring it here? Its borderline SPAM.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:12 AM
 
Location: CA
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Maybe he meant making history as having the record for most foreclosures, bankruptcies, deaths in Afghanistan and on an Army base on our soil under his watch.

Obama lied about this HC and is getting a free ride of course.

I hope this all fails on its face and the dems eat crow.

Pelosi is jumping for joy and it would be nice to send her packing without any baggage other then on her chin.
WOW - Republicans are quite bitter aren't they? Personal insults and more insults. Hilarious. What a crass group of individuals.

In any case, I love how biased articles from right-wing blogs are now considered "news".

The bill will pass senate WITH the public option, and the United States will finally catch up to 99% of the world's industrialized nations which all provide health care to its citizens. Congrats America and welcome to the 21st century....next step...the Metric System? After the bill passes the senate, the republicans will pout and scream. And I will enjoy every single second of it!

LOL! Congrats Obama and the Dems!
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Whatever the final result, it'll still be more than Republicans did for health care costs during the 12 years they controlled Congress.
Did the Dems ever push for healthcare while they were the minority party as hard as they did for the amnesty bill of 2006? You don't remember them voting to a Senator for that bill when all 44 of them voted yea to make Dirty Harry happy? Of course, they were sure that the House would take care of their mistake. Only 33 no votes and all of them were Republicans.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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no it wont,, the dems are exactly the same

is does NOTHING to lower health CARE costs

is doesnt even lower health INSURANCE costs

and remember INSURANCE is NOT CARE

the only thing this house bill does is ADD TO THE cost of middleclass america,,its just more of "let"s get rid of the middlecalls and have only rich and poor"

it does nothing about the doctor/nurse shortage in america
it does nothing....2000 pages and all BS

they could have had a 4 page bill that took care of the whole thing:....
1. raised the threshhold for mediciad (a singlepayer system)(ie. raise the threshhold to 200% or 400% of poverty) that would have taken care of the 20 million withouts....
2. banned pre-existing conditions....
3. mandated all insurance companies be 'national' (ie portable) systems....
4. get rid of unnecessary law suits( not legit ones, but the BS ones)...this would be for all, not just medical (ie like the woman who sued mcdonalds because she put the hot coffee in her crotch and then got burned,,,gee lady, you think coffee is hot or what)
How soon does your Senate seat come open? You need to run for it since you are a lot smarter than any of those fools. Even the Republicans had over 200 pages in their bill and it was not aimed at doing anything either.

You certainly pinned Nancy's 1990 page plus over 40 manager's bill down to the toilet seat with that post.
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