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I am "manning up" and seeking help on my own, despite the waste of life addicts who need an "intervention" after they have already clearly hit rock bottom.
I have emotional difficulties BUT, I at least have always had a job, went to college, and take care of my father and nephews, unlike the waste of life addicts who life on welfare and leech off of society and do not contribute anything. And yet, it is they who get all the help, even help that they don't want, while people all the time who just need a little help to help themselves are left out in the cold.
Those who make no effort to better themselves should indeed be left alone. We do not have the resources to waste on leeches.
Ohh, and saying that PTSD from child abuse that, while it does not prevent me from functioning normally on a day to day basis, makes it difficult for me to form relationships is not an excuse, it's an explanation...the crack head who blames child abuse one why they started smoking crack and don't have a job or why they beat up their wives, that is an excuse.
There is a point where explanations end and excuses begin. As long as one soldier is homeless, one smart, underprivilaged kid goes without college, one able bodied person who wants to have a job goes without work and one person who has issues they want to work as a mature adult (i.e., a non-addict) has to be put on the back of the line, if there is any line at all, I say that we not waste money on crack heads and drunks.
First, help those who wish to and have a drive to help themselves. It is something the far left "crackhead huggers" do not understand.
Good whine; want some cheese with it.
You do realize that numerous addicts are attorneys, doctors, run corporations, etc. don't you? Musicians, artists, etc. are also addicts, many in recovery.
Not everyone is the picture you paint.
You simply whine about your lot in life.
Maybe some day you'll see through your anger and hatred.
People do get sober and they become productive members of society.
Of course, that would burst your bubble to admit it.
Live in your hatred, you become what you say that you hate.
True but these people did make the decision to use KNOWING the risks involved...MANY had other opprotunities in life and decided to use rather than better themselves to become or continue to be responsible productive citizens.
I personally I think anyone who tests positive for an illegal controlled substance in an ER should be denied medical care unless they have private insurance ( if their insurance companies want to enable their self destruction fine). They cost this country an enormous amount in healthcare alone.
I am ALL ABOUT thinning the herd.
To the OP...so sorry you are having to deal with this situation it is very unfortunate but everyone in the U S pays the price everyday for enabling these people (and for many like myself its not by choice). This very issue drove me to become a conservative as well and also drove me to move to a state where people still have the right to defend themselves and their property.
Oh yes, everyone should die because you don't like how they live.
How wonderful!
What if your sister, brother, parent, cousin was that person.
Want them to die, too?
BTW, you didn't have to say that you were a "conservative" it was apparent from your comments.
You have yours, the heck with everyone else.
Unfortunately, I agree. Being a victim takes a great deal of energy and attention, just like addiction. I think people need to look at and clean up their own yards before criticizing and judging others. I had an abusive parent too but until I stopped blaming her, I couldn't move on. The OP needs to move on if he is to experience any peace in his life. Hopefully the therapy he is receiving will help him forgive his mom. It's so very hard to forgive someone who robbed you of your innocence and childhood but you have to otherwise it's like drinking poison and wishing the other person would die, you're only destroying yourself.
He doesn't want to forgive his parent.
The more he blames her, the less he has to look at himself.
He's been offered links to Al-Anon and Adult Children of Alcoholics and refuses to look at them because, as he stated, he doesn't need that.
So he'll enjoy his misery and push everyone out of his life because they can't stand the garbage any more.
... just like every addict does.
He's addicted to his anger and self-pity.
I wonder how that's working for him.
He doesn't want to forgive his parent.
The more he blames her, the less he has to look at himself.
He's been offered links to Al-Anon and Adult Children of Alcoholics and refuses to look at them because, as he stated, he doesn't need that.
So he'll enjoy his misery and push everyone out of his life because they can't stand the garbage any more.
... just like every addict does.
He's addicted to his anger and self-pity.
I wonder how that's working for him.
So very true and sad, like an addict they can't see how destructive anger is, and judging others gets you no where. I don't understand why ppl feel the need to look down on others. Thinning the herd? Like someone else said, where does that end, with mental illness? The OP has a mental condition, PTSD, does that mean we start there? How sad. I just know that if I didn't stop cursing my relative for the abuse that I was going to self-destruct. Hey, initially it is easier to stay sick and blame whoever perpetrated said abuse, but where does that get you? You end up full of hate, resentment, anger, and ultimately alone, just like an addict.
True but these people did make the decision to use KNOWING the risks involved...MANY had other opprotunities in life and decided to use rather than better themselves to become or continue to be responsible productive citizens.
I am ALL ABOUT thinning the herd.
It's hard to say that people full well know the risks involved. It's like anything else, if you're really going to know about it, you've got to get some of it on you. People seem conditioned to say that they know drugs are bad, without really knowing anything firsthand. Plus, the drugs don't start making people miserable right off the bat. I'll promise that anyone doing heroin for the first time is going to find it enjoyable. It's not until long after when the full realizations of their situation have set in that drugs become miserable. In other words, when they finally learn, it's already too late.
People are often all about thinning the herd - so long as it is by their own standards that is...
this message "recovery is not for those that NEED it is for people that WAN T it!!" i believe these addicts can ONLY be cured because they WANT to be. FORCED intervention is just a waste of time and money and leads nowhere. let the addicts INITIATE the intervention and u will succeed.
i dont pity the addicts though. they CHOSE to waste their life.
Amen to that. If someone wants help after messing up one time, okay, maybe they should get it...and intervention for someone who has been in and out of rehab on the tax payer's dime is another matter entirely.
No one is forcing me to see a councilor, and yet I am doing just that volunteerly, and yet, I am put on the back of the line while a crackhead who started their own damn problems and is forced into rehab gets put on the front of the line
^ ^ I agree completely, I can't believe the lack of compassion in this thread and inherent in the OP. OP, I think you obviously view addicts as "less than" and your superior views are not helping anyone. I agree that funds should not be wasted on ppl who do not wish to get better, but to deny all addicts is crazy. Some ppl may view you as "less than" because you have PTSD, I know ppl who think that's a cop out and they would also think nothing of denying you tax-payer funded health care.
Again, the difference, which none of the crackhead huggers are awknowledging despite my repeaditly pointing it out, is that I did not do anything to "ask for" PTSD, it just happened. If a woman is raped and has PTSD and needs counciling, it should be provided, as she did not asked to be raped and did nothing to cause it, while a crachead, on the other hand, did indeed ask for it by taking that first hit off the crack pipe.
Again, for about the tenth time: Show me the one person who was held at gun point and forced to start doing drugs, and I will show you someone who I have no problem with tax payer dollars being spent on.
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The point is that none of us have a right to judge or determine who should get treatment otherwise we would be living in a facist state.
So, someone who gets a hundred thousand dollars worth of plastic surgery, loose all their money, and want the nose job undone should have that funded by tax payer dollars? Or how about someone who is obese and wants a fancy excercise resort to help them loose weight instead of taking responsibility for themselves by jogging and dieting? Should that be funded by tax payer dollars? Or how about someone on death row who needs a kidney transplant, do we tell a law abiding mother of three that she has to weight while the killer, who's on death row anyway, gets a transplant first?
Welcome to the world of liberal priorities...
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You can't see it's hypocritical to expect tax dollars to go to your therapy but then deny therapy to others who want and need it?
Again, for the fifteenth time, the origin of my PTSD, i.e., childhood abuse, is something that someone else did to me, and I did not do for myself, and hence, the effect, my issues, are something I did not cause and would like help for. A crackhead, meanwhile, has problems which, the origins of which, he did cause for himself, i.e., he took the first hit off of that crack pipe as something he did to himself.
Something done to someone= the person effected should be given help
Someone does something to themselves= the person effected made their own bed, and now, let them lay in it.
Why is this such a difficult concept for people to understand?
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You do need to get therapy because you are playing the victim and I'm saying this as someone who has gone thru many of the same things re: abuse.
Okay, there is a difference between playing a victim (staying at home and moping and not doing anything about it) and and being mature about mental health (which is what I am doing: going to see a therapist)
I am not "playing victim" by having PTSD. I did not ask for it, but I will deal with it.
True but these people did make the decision to use KNOWING the risks involved...MANY had other opprotunities in life and decided to use rather than better themselves to become or continue to be responsible productive citizens.
Exactly! I mean, it is one thing if someone gets sick without insurance: they didn't ask for it, so, they indeed should be helped. No one gets pneumonia by accident...BUT, no one on Earth has ever tripped, fell, and landed with their mouth on a crack pipe and just happened to inhale and WHAM! they got addicted.
At the same time...where is the help for people who genuinely make themselves better and have potential? For every dollar we spend on welfair queens (growing up in the ghetto, I have seen tons of them) we spend maybe a nickle on people in the ghetto who keep their noses clean and try hard to get out.
We should spend more resources throwing people a rope from which they can climb themselves out of the pitt if they are willing to make the effort and less resources on throwing people in the pitt, who do not make an effort to get out of it, food and water.
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I personally I think anyone who tests positive for an illegal controlled substance in an ER should be denied medical care unless they have private insurance ( if their insurance companies want to enable their self destruction fine). They cost this country an enormous amount in healthcare alone.
Indeed, not a bad idea at all...or, at least, give them the care, and make sure that they get billed in full, up to and including sending a collection agency after them, and do not give them any charity care or discount.
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I am ALL ABOUT thinning the herd.
No...it's all about letting nature take it's course. Should we kill the human filth? No, we should not...but we don't have to save them. Those who make no effort to better themselves should be allowed to destroy themselves. Cull the herd? No, not at all. Instead, allow the herd to cull it's self.
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To the OP...so sorry you are having to deal with this situation it is very unfortunate but everyone in the U S pays the price everyday for enabling these people (and for many like myself its not by choice). This very issue drove me to become a conservative as well and also drove me to move to a state where people still have the right to defend themselves and their property.
Indeed. I also agree about the right to bare arms. To me, this is another example of liberal racism: They live in upperclass gated communities in places like Berkley and yet have the nerve to tell lower income blacks, like I was, that we do not have the right to use guns to defend ourselves and our families from the scum that their enabling (welfare) has prowling the streets.
It's so easy for them, living in their upper-class suburbs to tell me that "I don't need a gun". They would change their minds if they lived in my old neighborhood...but that would involve doing something those rich liberals would never do: live around black people.
Ever notice that all of these latte drinking socialist thinkers have no problem voting for a black president, and brag about it all the time, but they never, EVER, want to live next to a black blue collar family?
So, someone who gets a hundred thousand dollars worth of plastic surgery, loose all their money, and want the nose job undone should have that funded by tax payer dollars? Or how about someone who is obese and wants a fancy excercise resort to help them loose weight instead of taking responsibility for themselves by jogging and dieting? Should that be funded by tax payer dollars? Or how about someone on death row who needs a kidney transplant, do we tell a law abiding mother of three that she has to weight while the killer, who's on death row anyway, gets a transplant first?
Oy...I see you didn't take advantage of your free public education. Spellchecker paradise!
In any case, you may not have caused your abuse, but you certainly are reveling in it, savoring the delicious rage that you are feeling about it. The feeling of oh-poor-me-pity-me. You gather it to you like some precious armor, and relish it's grasp upon you. Until you let that go (like many others have pointed out) no therapy in the world will help you get over your self-imposed martyrdom.
and as one, mainly you, are crying "I am a victim" so loud you are blind to yourself
you have the same denial any addict has
because they blame everyone else too
you are trying to call the kettle black
First off, I am not blaming anyone. It is cause and effect. If someone is shot by some thug and is in a wheel chair, what, should the person in the wheel chair blame himself for not healing or blame the thug who shot him?
Second, again, for the 20th time, there is a big difference between someone with a mental issue, any mental issue, and an addict.
The person with a mental issue= Did not do anything to cause the mental issue to happen to himself/herself and thus, deserves help. I did not go out and smoke something knowing it would cause PTSD, nor did a schizophrenic do anything to aks for the schizophrenia.
A addict= started doing drugs in the first place and hence must lay in the bed they made themselves. No one forced them to take a hit or shoot up, they just did so knowing full and well that there was a good chance that they would become an addict. Therefore, since they are the cause of their own problems, let them fix their own problems for themselves and not on the tax payer dollars.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY a term that liberals hate to hear. I am responsibly for myself and as such, I will walk myself to see a therapist and get the help I need. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY does not mean everyone goes without help, and that is something people do not understand about libertarians/conservatives. Even the most die-hard anti-government libertarians I have ever met are not against charity, they are just against "charity" in the form of government handouts.
I personally believe that the government should help people who need help helping themselves for problems that they did not cause themselves, as long as they are willing to do their parts too.
If someone is shot by a thug and ends up in a wheel car, the person shot should be given full medical benefits if they don't have them and be given counciling if they need it, while the shooter should be thrown in jail, that is the conservative view on things (that, and that the victim should have been allowed to carry a gun so that there is less of a chance that they would become a "victim" in the first place)
The liberal view that you are pushing is that the thug should be given a hug and then given all kinds of government programs while the person in the wheel chair should just feel bad for his shooter and that's that.
Which view makes more sense?
A person who had something done to them, either by another person or circumstances ( S*** happens) and an addict, who, 99.9999999& of the time was not forced to start doing drugs in the first place are two absolutely different things.
This is not like comparing "apples and oranges", this is like comparing "apples and Ipods"
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