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Rabid? There is a dearth of substance to the case of the attackers, a group well known for acting not just prematurely, but falsely. The data -- just as described -- are not generated by the administration, but as best they can by the recipients -- thousands and thousands of ordinary Americans. All the administration does is allow other people to look at that reporting. The numbers are not official claims of anything. All the official data will come out of CEA and those data will cover all of ARRA, not just project assistance. There was never any intent to audit the recipient data until the AP did a "limited" review of "some" records. We don't know what they found, but we do know what they reported -- only over-counts. This despite the fact that other reviewers have found hundreds of examples of apparent under-counts. In their second review, the AP focussed on errant recording of Congressional districts. As if this mattered. All of this amounts to much smoke and no fire at all, but partisan minds out there are eager to glom onto it and make from a molehill whatever mountain they can. These are the ones who might better be described as rabid.
An $18,000,000 dollar computer system, and millions more in operating and staffing costs to control and track $787 billion in stimulus money. And all it took was some guy with a personal home computer and a modem to find all of these errors.
"There will be regular Recovery Plan Implementation meetings in the weeks and months ahead, so the Vice President can get regular updates from department and agency leaders – to hear what’s working and what isn’t."
Truly incredible. So now you're saying that obama never, ever promised that this new site would provide accurate and true information regarding stimulus spending, that we should in NO WAY expect that from an $18 million system and that is makes no difference if the information the public is viewing to find out where there money went to is correct or just a fantasy of a desperate administration to convince people that somehow the stimulus is a success, even though by all measures (the chart, the claims, the real numbers), it is a complete failure.
Now you're talking about money??? Has the AP found examples of money being improperly accounted for? No, they haven't. They have found math and posting errors on the jobs created/saved data and typo's and false assumptions in what were supposed to be Congressional district data. Your just driving yourself over the edge here again.
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Oh my. You're going to point to the propaganda of the obama administration as proof? Can't get much more desperate and pathetic than that.
My, what a fine kangaroo court you are conducting here. Data that you've never seen before but that blow your silly theses out of the water are declared inadmissable. I guess we can add the Magic Wand of Peremptory Exclusion to your collection.
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You said the CBO - I can't seem to find the link to the CBO saying what you claimed.
Well, you didn't read anything after the front cover. Not just the CBO data are in there, but also those from half a dozen private sector sources. All sourced, all acknowledged, all footnoted. And all (except outlying NABE) being in accord with the administration's estimates on both jobs and GDP. That's just the way it is....
This discussion shows that there is nothing unusual about CEA’s estimates of the impact of the Recovery Act on GDP growth and employment: our estimates are consistent with a broad, though not universal, consensus of numerous professional forecasters. The fact such a wide range of public and private forecasters broadly agree with our assessment should increase confidence that the Act is having a substantial stimulative effect.
Citing economic analysts, she says the fiscal stimulus will have its greatest impact on growth in the second and third quarters of 2009. (Editors note – those quarters are now behind us). By mid-2010, according to her testimony submitted to the committee, the “fiscal stimulus will likely be contributing little to growth.
What a surprise!!! Taking a quote out of context and using it in an attempt to state the exact opposite of what the speaker had only just said.
This does not mean that stimulus is no longer having an effect. Rather, it means that the effect is to keep GDP above the level it would be at in the absence of stimulus, not to raise growth further.
You'd think that would be clear enough. But apparently not to some.
I love the above logic....... "3,440,000 jobs might have been lost..." I might win the US Open golf tournament next year, or I may travel to Mars the next week.
Wow. Very perceptive. A net change cannot have included multiple moves in opposite directions. If the number of unemployed went up, then no jobs at all could have been saved or created, even though there were about four million new hires in the month. Some theoretician you are.
Recovery Board Chairman: We Can’t Certify Jobs Data at Recovery.gov
Of course not. The data are being submitted by many thousands of Americans all over the country. Exactly as intended. Who can vouch for the math skills and clarity of understanding of each and every one of them? Recovery.gov said long before the fist batch of data was run up that they would contain mistakes and errors. They do. Gosh!!!
Again, very funny that all the mistakes are in the positive column.....mistakes that go the direction the WH political winds want. Why were the mistakes all "overcounts" and not "undercounts"? Very fishy.
Very false. There are many hundreds of projects that have been identified as probable undercounts. Why did the AP either find none or find some and not report them? Ask the AP. But the undercounts are most definitely in there...
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