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Old 08-25-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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The Confederate flag is a symbol of remembrance. Hundreds of thousands fought with honor for what they thought was important. We should honor them and remember them as heroes.

The South is no different than any other region... they have unique problems and unique qualities.
So the Union soldiers didn't fight with honor for they thought was important? This was only limited to the South?
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:05 PM
 
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should border states be considered southern though they had slaves
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:06 PM
 
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So the Union soldiers didn't fight with honor for they thought was important? This was only limited to the South?

the only thing union soldiers were fighting for was against succession not to free the slaves
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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the only thing union soldiers were fighting for was against succession not to free the slaves
And the Confederate Soldiers were fighting to free slaves?!??? Many Union Soldiers were Black who were fighting to free slaves.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:16 PM
 
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And the Confederate Soldiers were fighting to free slaves?!??? Many Union Soldiers were Black who were fighting to free slaves.
NO, but slavery was not the main issue cause lincoln was gonna offer the south to keep their way of life
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:07 PM
 
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To me, the confederate flag represents states rights. And the south seems to be the only area of the country that ever wanted to make a distinction between states and the federal government. The south would have loved to have won that war, and I think this country would have been better for it. And while slavery would have continued for a few years, I can guarantee you it still would have been abolished. And states would have had historial claim on their own rights. The Confederacy would have maintained the balance of states rights.

Since the Union won, they have laid the groundwork of the destruction of states rights, and a precedence of aggression towards anyone who disagrees. I realize that slavery was wrong, and so are the Islamic fundamentalists, so should we invade every country that doesn't agree with us, and ourselves?
Do you REALLY think slavery would have ended in a few years? I think people would have owned slaves in the South as long as it was economically viable to do so.

The period after 1877 when the last federal troops left the South after the inauguration of Rutherford B. Hayes tells a lot about the mindset of many people in the South. Former Confederate sympathizers used voter intimidation, and domestic terror organizations like the Klu Klux Klan to harass, burn out, and murder any Black American they perceived as a threat or advocate for civil rights for Black Americans. Keep in mind they continue this behavior and lynchings continued in the South as late as the 1960's.

Without slavery the South enacted the "Black Codes" and later Jim Crow laws that effectively denied Black Americans in Southern states their civil rights for almost 100 years after slavery. Most Southerners did not voluntarily stop discriminating against or disenfranchising Black Americans. Court orders and laws often enforced by federal troops or federal law enforcement agents basically forced many Southern institutions to integrate.

So even without slavery in place it's obvious that most Southerners either condoned not giving Black Americans equal rights or stood by out of fear of economic and social repercussions and did nothing to help Black Americans obtain equal rights.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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NO, but slavery was not the main issue cause lincoln was gonna offer the south to keep their way of life
But they stopped that..didn't they ?
History becomes way more interesting when you learn it AFTER you're done school and start reading on your own.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Without slavery the South enacted the "Black Codes" and later Jim Crow laws that effectively denied Black Americans in Southern states their civil rights for almost 100 years after slavery. Most Southerners did not voluntarily stop discriminating against or disenfranchising Black Americans. Court orders and laws often enforced by federal troops or federal law enforcement agents basically forced many Southern institutions to integrate.

So even without slavery in place it's obvious that most Southerners either condoned not giving Black Americans equal rights or stood by out of fear of economic and social repercussions and did nothing to help Black Americans obtain equal rights.
Not ALL history is taught in schools and the North were not as accepting as you may have been led to believe. And many poor Whites were included in those Jim Crow laws (poll tax, literacy requirements, etc.) which lumped them right in with the Blacks but not much is written about them, is there ?

"While the North has had no Selma march, no Birmingham church bombing, and no George Wallace pronouncement of “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever,” virtually every northern city had its share of racial killings, cross burnings and white riots."

Jim Crow in the North -- In These Times
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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(3) Why don't people fly Union Flags in the North? I don't recall going to New York and seeing Union flags all over the place.
I have a question for you. What flag flew on the ships that delivered slaves to the South?



I have read a few of your posts. I think you are a sad little man.
Maybe you weren't breast fed enough. Maybe you never had a
puppy, I don't know. All I know is you spew hate, innuendo, bile
and half truths. You start conflict with no agenda other than hate
and predudice. You are for nothing, you are like a wound filled
with puss and poison, trying to infect others.
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:45 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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should border states be considered southern though they had slaves

That's a good point. The Emancipation Proclamation,
did not flee the slaves in the border (nuetral) states,
or the Northern states. He 'freed' the slaves in the
Nation he was fighting against.
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