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Old 12-06-2009, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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I never said, "liberal = communist". I said liberals want America to look and act like the USSR.

Government ruined healthcare will be the American form. Those other nations, well... Because of our current free-market healthcare, all the most forward improvements in health treatments are still American. The current American healthcare system is messed up because of so much governmental involvement. Get the government out of health care, get the restrictions to free trade off, but keep health insurance a state by state governence and you'll see more people covered. We can't provide good health care if the premiums haven't been paid by healthy people. Sick people who didn't have coverage are the issue. I can really teach some of you a thing or two about this, but you'll have to take your blinders off first.

Liberal/social/communist governments are common in they like the power centralized, and they like friends who own big oligopolies. The farther socialistic we become, the deader the middle class and soon the more likely we get a banana republic with the super-rich and the super poor. The Jesse Jackson and union boss theories like this.

I have never seen a government or nation fail when God was a significant part of the people's lives. I didn't say religion. I dispise big religious heirarchy. It's the issue, not the people with faithbased lives.
You who are atheist have never been in a fox hole with bullets flying at your head. I haven't either, but those who have will tell you there are no atheists in foxholes.

I can show anyone interested in learning a lot of common sense that liberal media, education, and attitudes have cheated future generations of.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:55 PM
 
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In 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution brought about a cure to a bad, cruel, and out-of-tune totalatarian government. Seventy years later, the replacement government failed. Why?

It was for many reasons, but to name a few, 1) there was no competition to develop businesses. 2) the central government couldn't react to the various needs of the many regions of then largest land sized nation. 3) the central government had farm managers who had never gotten their fingernails filled with fertile dirt. 4) Religion was outlawed. 5-xxx) you can add.

If America keeps adopting the ideals of the Bolschevik's, not will, but can our nation survive?
Maybe first you could read up on why the Russian Revolution succeeded in 1917.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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In the first place, they didn't take seventy years to fail. The Bolsheviks were a failure from the start, and they relied on terror and mass murder to stay in power. The closest thing to a gulag we have, our mass incarceration system, is an institution that people on the right love much more than anyone else.

Second, when our government eliminates competition, confiscates farmers' produce at gunpoint, and outlaws religion, we can resume the conversation. Until then, we are still in talk radio la-la-land.
Well, I think you best open your eyes. Mass incarceration is a liberal idea. Conservatives would make prison a place no person would ever want to return, but as Mr. Liberal himself said in the 1996 Democratic National Convention, "Black men can't wait to get three hots and a cot, so the commit crimes to escape all responsibilities such as child support, and they have a longer life expectation in prison than in a ghetto." I believe this is a nearly perfect quotation from the keynote speaker... Jesse Jackson.

Do I need to share the number of times government has elimated competition (can you say taxes, healthcare, cap & trade) confiscated farmer's produce, haven't you ever seen a farm gifted to the government by eminent domain?, and what do you think is going on in our courts, schools, on our streets, and even in our churches if you don't think religion is being outlawed?

So when you are ready to open your fever damaged eyes, I'll be glad to use some q-tips on your ears too.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Maybe first you could read up on why the Russian Revolution succeeded in 1917.
An autocracy, like we're seeing with ObamaBush?

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Old 12-06-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I never said, "liberal = communist". I said liberals want America to look and act like the USSR.
Gee, thanks for clearing that up

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Government ruined healthcare will be the American form. Those other nations, well... Because of our current free-market healthcare, all the most forward improvements in health treatments are still American. The current American healthcare system is messed up because of so much governmental involvement. Get the government out of health care, get the restrictions to free trade off, but keep health insurance a state by state governence and you'll see more people covered. We can't provide good health care if the premiums haven't been paid by healthy people. Sick people who didn't have coverage are the issue. I can really teach some of you a thing or two about this, but you'll have to take your blinders off first.
Government health-care may be a good or bad idea, and I will listen to arguments on both sides. But claiming it makes us socialist because socialist countries have one, is about as sane as claming having an alphabet makes us socialist because socialist countries have one.

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Liberal/social/communist governments are common in they like the power centralized, and they like friends who own big oligopolies. The farther socialistic we become, the deader the middle class and soon the more likely we get a banana republic with the super-rich and the super poor. The Jesse Jackson and union boss theories like this.
Almost all leaders of "banana republics" have been right-wing. You can offer a reasonable argument that they were less destructive than their left-wing competition, but you haven't offered it.

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I have never seen a government or nation fail when God was a significant part of the people's lives. I didn't say religion. I dispise big religious heirarchy. It's the issue, not the people with faithbased lives.
Naturally, any instance of a faith-based country failing will be redefined by you as "religion" rather than "God." Nice heads-I-win, tails-you-lose scenario you constructed there.

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You who are atheist have never been in a fox hole with bullets flying at your head. I haven't either, but those who have will tell you there are no atheists in foxholes.
Everyone is in the same foxhole called "life". Every mature person knows they are going to die. Maybe in 45 years, maybe in 45 seconds, but they are going to die. The atheists-in-foxholes cliche is getting a little overworn.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:03 PM
 
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In 1917, the Bolshevik Revolution brought about a cure to a bad, cruel, and out-of-tune totalatarian government. Seventy years later, the replacement government failed. Why?

It was for many reasons, but to name a few, 1) there was no competition to develop businesses. 2) the central government couldn't react to the various needs of the many regions of then largest land sized nation. 3) the central government had farm managers who had never gotten their fingernails filled with fertile dirt. 4) Religion was outlawed. 5-xxx) you can add.

If America keeps adopting the ideals of the Bolschevik's, not will, but can our nation survive?
Don't forget to put your parents in jail for cashing those SOCIAL SECURITY checks.

Honestly, people need to turn down the RW idiot radio.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wow, congratulations...make all those you don't like evil incarnate.

Way to partisan things, just like communists actually. Propaganda was a major tool for the dictatorship.

Those who don't agree aren't just different, they are evil, want to destroy the world, and kill puppies.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Well, I think you best open your eyes. Mass incarceration is a liberal idea. Conservatives would make prison a place no person would ever want to return, but as Mr. Liberal himself said in the 1996 Democratic National Convention, "Black men can't wait to get three hots and a cot, so the commit crimes to escape all responsibilities such as child support, and they have a longer life expectation in prison than in a ghetto."
That was NOT an ENDORSEMENT of the prison system, simpleton.

(Actually, if you were a little more educated you'd be better able to defend your position. The concept of the penitentiary WAS indeed a 'liberal' invention--from around the 1820s. It wasn't one of their better ones, but it is one that modern self-described conservatives practically masturbate over.)

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Do I need to share the number of times government has elimated competition (can you say taxes, healthcare, cap & trade) confiscated farmer's produce, haven't you ever seen a farm gifted to the government by eminent domain?
All those things, bad as they may be, predated not only the current president but the most recent ten presidents. Eminent domain is explicitly condoned in the Constitution. When I said 'confiscate farmers' produce', I meant taking their crops and leaving them to starve (USSR) not paying them market value for their farm (USA).

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and what do you think is going on in our courts, schools, on our streets, and even in our churches if you don't think religion is being outlawed?
People are starting to insist that Christianity should not be given a favored position, which it never should've had in the first place. People are starting to insist that Christians who make nuisances of themselves be treated like any other nuisance. If you find that the same as "outlawing religion", then fine and dandy, we're outlawing religion. And I don't feel a bit bad about it!
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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I never said, "liberal = communist". I said liberals want America to look and act like the USSR.
Your headline said that liberals can't see the USSR. Now you're saying tat liberals aren't communists, but yet they somehow want the US to look and act like a communist country. Only they can't see it. Or something.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:25 PM
 
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You're right. They never won an election. That's why they now support the Democratic Party.

It's very possible we have a communist president. After all he has a history of chosing communists as his mentors and idols.
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