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Old 12-09-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Originally Posted by Nomander View Post
Private companies are "private", not tax payer funded organizations.

I am not seeing your link here.

Whether a private company gives a raise or not is irrelevant. We don't pay for their business, they are not required to answer to the people.

A government agency is funded by the people and so people being a bit irritated by them giving raises in a down economy while people are taking pay cuts, job losses, and the like in the "real world" (and I say that because in the real world a business that gives raises all around when they are doing poorly, goes out of business) is not being unreasonable. Only in government does this make sense or "add up".
What? Didn't we just bail out Wall Street, aka the private sector? Where do you think that money came from? Who do you think will pay it back?
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:49 PM
 
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Federal employee pay raises will help the recovery as most of these employees spend every dime.
I thought raises were based on merit, seniority, and the ability of the parent company to give those raises based on profitability.

Just a note: tax cuts would also help the recovery. And it wouldn't just benefit some.....
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: southern california
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whatever they get its not enough. they put up with alot.
strange ---in this country --when there are worker layoffs and paycuts ---the people cheer
american labor is anti labor.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I thought raises were based on merit, seniority, and the ability of the parent company to give those raises based on profitability.

Just a note: tax cuts would also help the recovery. And it wouldn't just benefit some.....
Tax cuts were given out too (and most people got them).

Ken
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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They deserve the raises because with the recent layoffs, a lot of the remaining employees had to either double or triple their duties.

I have a relative who works for the government & she said that luckily, she was not one of the ones laid off but she also said it caused more stress on her because her workload has become much larger than before.
Cry me a river. Are federal employees the only ones that are doubling up because of a smaller work force?

I'm also carrying a heavier work load because of being short handed. Add to that the stress of a probably layoff after the first of the year. See? Private sector jobs aren't all bubblegum and lollipops. The difference is that my employer doesn't have an unlimited source of money to pull from.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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Absolutely - more than EVER in fact.
When NO ONE else is spending, it's up to the government to do so to stimulate the economy.

Ken
Only mental midgets think that government spending is stimulating the economy. The numbers don't lie. And you do understand that the money that the government spends has to first be taken from taxpayers? They don't actually MAKE money?
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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No your company sucks because they haven't given raises in TWO years (as you said so yourself). THIS year I can understand it - the previous year - no - not unless it doesn't give out raises until the very END of the year. I don't know ANYONE who didn't get a raise LAST YEAR. Yes we were in a recession, but most companies were running more or less normally until the meltdown in September of 2008 - at which point panic set in. Prior to that - not so much.

Ken
You must have a pretty tiny pool of friends. And while I'm sure McDonalds was hiring, be assured that for most companies the recession started in 2007, especially in certain states that are fiscally irresponsible.
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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If this was softer downturn I would say they should do without the raise - that the economy would recover just fine without government assistance.
The problem is - this isn't just your "average recession" - this one is deep and hard and the economy meeds all the help it can get to speed the recovery - this means the government spending money (lots of it) - same as EVERY SINGLE MAJOR COUNTRY around the world is doing. There's a reason for that - it WORKS.



Nope.
So a raise is now a stimulus for what they're going to do? Kind of like a Peace Prize for what you're going to do?

If you don't work for the government (which I don't believe for a moment), where do you work? A Union?
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Old 12-09-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Only mental midgets think that government spending is stimulating the economy.
Ah, yeah - right, all those "mental midgets" with their degrees and awards and years and years and years of experience.

Where did you get your PHD in economics from again? - a box of Crackerjack?
Oh yeah I forgot.


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The numbers don't lie.
No they don't - GDP UP, Job losses DOWN, Stock Markets UP, Home prices stablizing.

Do we have a ways to go? Of course.
Is there more pain still coming? Of course.
Will things get better? OF COURSE.


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And you do understand that the money that the government spends has to first be taken from taxpayers? They don't actually MAKE money?
Um - yeah they do. They make and send it out into the economy.
When folks like you and I try and make it - it's called counterfeiting.

Ken
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Old 12-09-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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We were in red when Clinton left. You do know we were still in debt when Clinton left office right.
We had a budget surplus when Clinton left office and we were also on track to have the deficit either paid off or close to it by the end of the decade.

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So you support the ceo earning as much as the board will pay them and them getting bonus even though they got taxpayer money right

You were ticked off when Obama told a business they cant get a bonus because they got tax payer money right?
That's about the dumbest comparison I've ever seen posted here.
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