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Old 01-27-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
oh please

mcdonalds gives a better health plan and a better 401k that the feds do


the federal health plan is the LOWEST plan available...example the AETNA gov plan has HIGHER co-pays and less benies than the STANDARD AETNA

and the government worker STILL PAYs THE PREMIUM out of your check EVERY PAY PERIOD
I'll mention this to the minimum wage cashier the next time I order some fries.

They will either laugh or cry at the notion.
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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Translation: Please do the work for me...after all, I am a federal employee.
Really, is that all you've got?
How silly.

Not one statistic, not one article to support you.
Typical response.

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A private industry nurse is an impossible concept, right?
Still can't come up with any links, nothing?
Don't understand the difference between for profit and not for profit?
So you have absolutely nothing except for your personal hatred of federal employees and your disingenuous emotional outrage.
Yep, got it.
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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What does your snarky question have to do with the topic?
What do his posting have to do with the topic at all?
This was purposely resurrected to get the emotional impact of 2% when the request after 3 years of no raises be .5%.

Emotional responses and tantrum aside, he's got nothing at all except for insults.

If he's so jealous, perhaps he has the (usually) advanced degrees required for professional federal employment?
But, for some reason, I don't think so.

Still hasn't responded with even one career by career chart, statistic, link... nothing.

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Originally Posted by ajsmith365 View Post
ALRIGHT!!! A 2% pay raise

Oh, wait a minute...this thread is 2 years old
Calculated to bring on high emotions.
A juvenile trick at best.

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Old 01-27-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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You are forgetting the FEHB and FSA and TSP matching contributions...

Nice try.
Nice try from you.
Again, you might want to look at these and the federal contribution.
What does the FEHB cost? FSA is 100% personal contributions. TSP is matching up to 5%.

Seriously, is this what you've got. Again, nothing.

BTW, I notice that you didn't provide any links as requested in about 5 or 6 posts since you resurrection of a 2 year old thread with an inappropriate title.

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Old 01-27-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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I do not.

You are assuming both a similar defined contribution plan and full private unemployment.

How does that work out for the impoverished workforce of two of America's largest employers:

Wal-Mart and McDonald's?

..and that is just two examples in the S&P 500!
You're comparing Federal Service employment to minimum wage workers at Wal-Mart and McD's? Lol, apples to oranges. Most of our blue-collar jobs were outsourced at least a decade ago. The skills and backgrounds for most federal positions require at least a Bachelors degree. A more appropriate comparison is IBM or General Electric. In some sectors, like IT, energy, and finance, we have a chronic turnover of employees who cut their teeth in the Fed and then go make better pay at major corporations.

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Old 01-28-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by chielgirl View Post
Really, is that all you've got?
How silly.

Not one statistic, not one article to support you.
Typical response.


Still can't come up with any links, nothing?
Don't understand the difference between for profit and not for profit?
So you have absolutely nothing except for your personal hatred of federal employees and your disingenuous emotional outrage.
Yep, got it.
All you've got are personal attacks.

Let me know when YOU have some facts and figures to back up whatever it is you believe.

I don't even know what you believe because you have yet to write anything but requests for "links".

Why not get a clue?
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Smoke_Jaguar4 View Post
You're comparing Federal Service employment to minimum wage workers at Wal-Mart and McD's? Lol, apples to oranges. Most of our blue-collar jobs were outsourced at least a decade ago. The skills and backgrounds for most federal positions require at least a Bachelors degree. A more appropriate comparison is IBM or General Electric. In some sectors, like IT, energy, and finance, we have a chronic turnover of employees who cut their teeth in the Fed and then go make better pay at major corporations.
So there are no blue collar workers at GE, right?

So the federal government doesn't hire gardeners, plumbers and other blue collar workers, right?

Geez...you've gotta be kidding!
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:02 AM
 
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Nice try from you.
Again, you might want to look at these and the federal contribution.
What does the FEHB cost? FSA is 100% personal contributions. TSP is matching up to 5%.

Seriously, is this what you've got. Again, nothing.

BTW, I notice that you didn't provide any links as requested in about 5 or 6 posts since you resurrection of a 2 year old thread with an inappropriate title.
Where does that 5% matching come from?

The magic money tree?

Also in your post you conveniently left off FEGLI benefits.

You can fool some of the people some of the time...

Last edited by CaseyB; 01-28-2012 at 11:15 AM..
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:04 AM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by chielgirl View Post
What do his posting have to do with the topic at all?
This was purposely resurrected to get the emotional impact of 2% when the request after 3 years of no raises be .5%.

Emotional responses and tantrum aside, he's got nothing at all except for insults.

If he's so jealous, perhaps he has the (usually) advanced degrees required for professional federal employment?
But, for some reason, I don't think so.

Still hasn't responded with even one career by career chart, statistic, link... nothing.


Calculated to bring on high emotions.
A juvenile trick at best.
Advanced degrees??!?

You are living in a bizarre dream world!

Yeah, the three million federal employees are all FDA scientists from MIT.

Yeah, right!

A lot of Ph.D. GS-5 feds out there, right?

Oh, brother!
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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Where does that 5% matching come from ?

The magic money tree?

Also in your post you conveniently left off FEGLI benefits.

You can fool some of the people some of the time...
I think that chielgirl was attempting to state that the federal service benefits are similar to equivalent private sector benefits. Let's use IT workers for a comparison. At a private company, an IT employee gets a 5-6% match from their private employer on their 401K plan. The federal employee gets this also from, yes, the government.

A private employee will in this field will "generally" get 60-7% of their health insurance premium paid for as will the federal employee.

The federal government needs to employee at least *some* people. In order to do that, they have to be competitive. I work in the DC area where the jobs economy is pretty good. If the government did not offer a somewhat equivalent benefits package, they would either have no one to fill their positions or they would be filling their positions with the cast offs that no one wants.

Last edited by CaseyB; 01-28-2012 at 11:16 AM..
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