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Old 12-14-2009, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States." --Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787

Those darned founders kept trying to tell people why they did the things they did and Webster really pointed it out here.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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You would have to be a really hardcore right-wing foaming-at-the-mouth liberal to still believe gun control is all about public safety...or belive the government can even make the world safe.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You would have to be a really hardcore right-wing foaming-at-the-mouth liberal to still believe gun control is all about public safety...or belive the government can even make the world safe.
right-wing foaming-at-the-mouth liberal

What is one of those things you mention?

Yes the government can never make the world safe even if they take away the guns. They proved that in Russia and Germany. Neither the Soviet Union or the Reich are still in existence although they did collect as many guns as they could. Our liberals haven't been able to learn about that yet, though.

Thanks for the rep.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The justification is the security of the free state--not to hunt, or threaten the security of a free state.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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right-wing foaming-at-the-mouth liberal

What is one of those things you mention?



I think the only ones left are working directly for the obama administration.
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Old 12-14-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I think the only ones left are working directly for the obama administration.
That makes sense. A foaming at the mouth liberal sounds like something out of this world.
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Old 12-14-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Anyone who understands military tactics, or modern warfare understand that an armed resistance with hunting rifles, hand guns, and a few altered assault rifles would never be able to overthrow the government.

I'm not for gun control, but the founding fathers lived in another era. We don't need people running around with mini guns, they are dangerous enough as it is.
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Old 12-14-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Anyone who understands military tactics, or modern warfare understand that an armed resistance with hunting rifles, hand guns, and a few altered assault rifles would never be able to overthrow the government.
Hungarian Revolution of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I'm not for gun control, but the founding fathers lived in another era. We don't need people running around with mini guns, they are dangerous enough as it is.
Then lobby to pass an amendment nullifying the 2nd amendment...see how well that goes with constitutional scholars and congress.
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Old 12-14-2009, 07:37 PM
 
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How did those Hungarians fare against the Red Army?

And if an amendment was passed nullifying the Second Amendment, then those defending the Constitution would have to defend it, wouldn't they?
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Old 12-14-2009, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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This is why WE are keeping our guns.



77. Admit or deny that in 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
78. Admit or deny that in 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
79. Admit or deny that Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
80. Admit or deny that China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
81. Admit or deny that Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
82. Admit or deny that Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
83. Admit or deny that Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
84. Admit or deny that 56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated by their governments in the 20th Century because of gun control.
85. Admit or deny that in the first 12 months that gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender their firearms, 640,381 personal firearms were turned in and were destroyed by the Australian government, costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
86. Admit or deny that in the first 12 months that gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender their firearms, Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide assaults went up 8.6 percent and Australia-wide armed robberies went up 44 percent.
87. Admit or deny that in the first 12 months that gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender their firearms, in the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms went up 300 percent, an indication that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not.

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