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Old 12-30-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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It would be an amazing turn of events if people like Dodd or Reid lose their seats to republicans. No matter how much you wish to deny it
What exactly am I denying?

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Wait for when people have to actually start paying taxes for this health care bill.
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: California
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Will these republicans have a plan or is it just to "sink any major Democratic initiatives" on principal? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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If Republicans don't pick up seats, I think it would be a shock to any Democrat. Anyone who knows anything about political history knows that the Democratic majority is saturated due to two sweeping reform elections and now it will swing back to a more balanced state.

Why do you think Obama's pushing all his important legislation through now?

I think Obama's true greatness will emerge when he has to balance the demands of the right and the left. He's very good at it when he needs to be.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:02 PM
 
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Interesting, since it was Republicans who seriously threatened to eliminate the filibuster when they were in control of the Senate. I wonder how they'd react if Democrats threatened to eliminate it now.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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Interesting, since it was Republicans who seriously threatened to eliminate the filibuster when they were in control of the Senate. I wonder how they'd react if Democrats threatened to eliminate it now.
To McCain's credit, I remember when Republicans were naive enough to think they were going to have a multi-generational majority and were voting to do away with the filibuster.

McCain got up and said, "Ya know, we might need this at some point." Sure enough, within 5 years they had used more filibusters than any Congress in history.

Unbelievable how blinded by power people can become. That McCain would have been a good president - not the guy who ran, though.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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If Republicans don't pick up seats, I think it would be a shock. Anyone who knows anything about political history knows that the Democratic majority is saturated due to two sweeping reform elections and now it will swing back to a more balanced state.

Why do you think Obama's pushing all his important legislation through now?

I think Obama's true greatness will emerge when he has to balance the demands of the right and the left. He's very good at it when he needs to be.
I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion of Obama being a great bi-partisan deal maker?
Can you provide us some specific examples?

But I agree with you on two points you mentioned,one of needing balance and two, the fact that Obama is exhibiting urgency in getting his radical agenda through before that can take place.

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Old 12-30-2009, 07:18 PM
 
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If Republicans don't pick up seats, I think it would be a shock to any Democrat. Anyone who knows anything about political history knows that the Democratic majority is saturated due to two sweeping reform elections and now it will swing back to a more balanced state.

Why do you think Obama's pushing all his important legislation through now?

I think Obama's true greatness will emerge when he has to balance the demands of the right and the left. He's very good at it when he needs to be.
On what basis do you make these statements? You have not witnessed Obama balancing the demands of the right and the left, so how can you even begin to make this proclmation? At this point in time, this is nothing but hearsay. Where do pull all the lofty diatribe from? It's certainly not from anything that happened since January 20, 2009.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:59 PM
 
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I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion of Obama being a great bi-partisan deal maker?
Can you provide us some specific examples?

But I agree with you on two points you mentioned,one of needing balance and two, the fact that Obama is exhibiting urgency in getting his radical agenda through before that can take place.
I never said Obama's agenda is radical. Don't say you agree with me and then put loaded words in.

Saving capitalism, ramping up military efforts, gunning down terrorists, and operating from a left-of-center position is far from radical. He just knows that the Republicans will block anything in order to see him fail, so he wisely is using his super-majority while he has it.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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On what basis do you make these statements? You have not witnessed Obama balancing the demands of the right and the left, so how can you even begin to make this proclmation? At this point in time, this is nothing but hearsay. Where do pull all the lofty diatribe from? It's certainly not from anything that happened since January 20, 2009.
Sure it is. Look at how he's pissed off the far left and brought balance on a lot of policies - from military decisions to blue dogs on health care.

Not his fault Republicans are simply trying to undermine his presidency for the sake of power instead of offering solutions to our country.

He tried to work with them, but they failed him.
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