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Old 01-02-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Gun control measures are only adhered to by the public, not the criminal element. Statistics show that law abiding gun owners are not a problem. Disarming the public encourages crime. States that allow concealed carry generally have lower crime srate than those who prohibit it.
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Gun control measures are only adhered to by the public, not the criminal element. Statistics show that law abiding gun owners are not a problem. Disarming the public encourages crime. States that allow concealed carry generally have lower crime srate than those who prohibit it.
The crime rate has dropped here in VA since we implemented it. However, I don't know if it was the cause but it certainly didn't result in any problems.
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:30 PM
 
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I think too many people read the necon media version into the Second.

No where does it state it is in defense from an oppresive US governemnt.

Militias were formed to protect against outside invasion.
Milton, Blackstone, Locke, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton: are these who you consider "neocon" media?

Here is a little light reading for you since you obviously failed to learn American History:

THE SECOND AMENDMENT: A GUARD FOR OUR FUTURE SECURITY

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Not all guns are equal. There are hand guns and hunting rifles and then there are M-16s and AK-47s. I have no problem with reasonable/liberal laws regarding the first two types of guns, but I see no reason why we can't have stricter laws banning the ownership of the assault rifles---at least down here in the lower 48. The NRA will fight restrictions on any type of weaponry from here to doomsday. If they have their way we could all have a tank in our front yards.
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Not all guns are equal. There are hand guns and hunting rifles and then there are M-16s and AK-47s. I have no problem with reasonable/liberal laws regarding the first two types of guns, but I see no reason why we can't have stricter laws banning the ownership of the assault rifles---at least down here in the lower 48. The NRA will fight restrictions on any type of weaponry from here to doomsday. If they have their way we could all have a tank in our front yards.
One can't own an M-16 or AK-47, legally, without a special license from BATFE, a process that can take up to a year and can be fairly expensive.

I think what you think you're talking about are civilian versions of those firearms, none of which are full automatic and are the object of various levels of restriction depending on the state. Many, if not most, are used primarily for varmint shooting (including coyotes at a distance) and various marksmenship competitions.
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:02 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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obviously you dont like the Constitution either.
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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Milton, Blackstone, Locke, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton: are these who you consider "neocon" media?

Here is a little light reading for you since you obviously failed to learn American History:

THE SECOND AMENDMENT: A GUARD FOR OUR FUTURE SECURITY

Firstly, necon media are spin masters. When taken at face value, they sounds (almsot) reasonable, but upon further examination one finds that they have twisted reality into unrecognizable pretzles.

The idea that the Second was fashioned only to allow the new US citizens to defend themselves from the new US government IS an example of neocon spin, trotted out ever time Demcorats hold power in DC like ti was the truth.
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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The idea that the Second was fashioned only to allow the new US citizens to defend themselves from the new US government IS an example of neocon spin, trotted out ever time Demcorats hold power in DC like ti was the truth.
Did you even read Scalia's opinion I linked you to in post #50? He described it pretty well.
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:25 PM
 
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Not all guns are equal. There are hand guns and hunting rifles and then there are M-16s and AK-47s. I have no problem with reasonable/liberal laws regarding the first two types of guns, but I see no reason why we can't have stricter laws banning the ownership of the assault rifles---at least down here in the lower 48. The NRA will fight restrictions on any type of weaponry from here to doomsday. If they have their way we could all have a tank in our front yards.
I'm all for having a tank; but in the front yard, that is about as redneck as the sofa on the front porch. Nope, it deserves it's own garage.

With all due respect WW, you really do need to do your research on firearms before posting as though you know anything about them. Your post is a regurgitation of the ill-informed media and anti-gun organizations.

Federal laws apply across the board to all states and not just "down here in the lower 48".

Can you name a single crime "here in the lower 48" committed with a legally owned fully automatic "assault rifle" in the past decade by the owner of said rifle?

For ownership of legally transferable class 3 firearms to non-dealers: a law abiding citizen can expect: full background checks by local and federal authorities, fingerprints, photographs, unannounced BATFE inspections of where the firearm is kept and ownership paperwork, the payment of a $200.00 tax stamp for each dealer the firearm must pass during the transfer process, and yes, your name on a government list.

Do you realize the retail cost of legally transferable class 3 firearms range from $5K-$40K for "small arms" and upward for the highly collectable?

These are not the easily obtainable "gun show loophole" firearms the liberal media and Bradey Campaign would have you believe.

So what part about this is not strict enough for you? Please try to be specific.

From your posts you seem to have a fixation against the NRA. Are you a disgruntled former member with an actual beef (because many of us consider the NRA as a sell-out that compromises much too often); or, do you just have something against organizations that fight to uphold specific parts of the Constitution in general?
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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Firstly, necon media are spin masters. When taken at face value, they sounds (almsot) reasonable, but upon further examination one finds that they have twisted reality into unrecognizable pretzles.

The idea that the Second was fashioned only to allow the new US citizens to defend themselves from the new US government IS an example of neocon spin, trotted out ever time Demcorats hold power in DC like ti was the truth.
You didn't even read the link did you. Your ignorance of Constitutional history is glaringly apparent.
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