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Old 01-08-2010, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Judge tosses out most evidence on Gitmo detainee - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100108/ap_on_go_ot/us_guantanamo_detainee - broken link)

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WASHINGTON – A federal judge has tossed out most of the government's evidence against a tarrorism detainee on grounds his confessions were coerced, allegedly by U.S. forces, before he became a prisoner at Guantanamo Bay.

In a ruling this week, U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan also said the government failed to establish that 23 statements the detainee made to interrogators at Guantanamo Bay were untainted by the earlier coerced statements made while he was held under harsh conditions in Afghanistan.
This is the danger of trying enemy combatants that have been captured on the battlefield in our civilian criminal courts. There are not and should not be mirandized on the battlefield.

We can expect more of these kind of rulings with KSM and other high-level detainees - maybe that's what obama has been intending all along.

Maybe this "wake up call" will knock some sense into Holder and Obama.

Or maybe they are all too willing to try the tactics and interrogation techniques.
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:43 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Just a start of what Obamie is wanting to do.

He probably ordered this to be done.

Who's side is he on anyway?

Why does Obamie hate America so bad that he would sell us out like this?
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: mancos
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thanks obama. you fool. wait till the trials are into the hundreds. this fool must be impeached
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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Well well well. Doesnt this just beat all

Didnt we hear some republicans say this would happen
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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This is just the tip of the proverbial iceburg. I bet the convictions will pale in comparison to the acquittals. WTG Obama on keeping our country safe.
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The criminal courts have no option really. The detainees were NOT read their rights and as EC, there was no need to do that.

What will happen when they ask for top secret, classified intelligence, when they ask for the information in how they were captured, when they ask the court to rule on the advanced interrogation techniques to gleen information about future attacks.

This is an absolute disaster in the making.
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Judge tosses out most evidence on Gitmo detainee - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100108/ap_on_go_ot/us_guantanamo_detainee - broken link)



This is the danger of trying enemy combatants that have been captured on the battlefield in our civilian criminal courts. There are not and should not be mirandized on the battlefield.

We can expect more of these kind of rulings with KSM and other high-level detainees - maybe that's what obama has been intending all along.

Maybe this "wake up call" will knock some sense into Holder and Obama.

Or maybe they are all too willing to try the tactics and interrogation techniques.

Sorry, America should not act like the countries we are "At war" with. I know you love the concept, but it is the antithesis of what America stands for.

Furthermore your argument, like most of yours, are based on your predictions of the future. Once again, I will not accept your version of the future as a legitimate point.
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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This is just the tip of the proverbial iceburg. I bet the convictions will pale in comparison to the acquittals. WTG Obama on keeping our country safe.
More predictions. I love how you guys predict the future and then are critical of THAT. Does anybody else see how irrational this is?
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:02 PM
 
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So the judge throws out confessions that were made after he was tortured, but accepts confessions made during military administrative hearings. I'm all for that. Torture is known to provide false confessions. It seems a lot of people here are happy with torture-induced confessions, though, regardless of their unreliability.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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So the judge throws out confessions that were made after he was tortured, but he accepts confessions made during military administrative hearings. I'm all for that. Torture is known to provide false confessions. It seems a lot of people here are happy with torture-induced confessions, regardless of their unreliability.
So it begins indeed! Way to go America!
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